Firearms confiscation

[svauto-erotic855]

The FBI raided a kiddy porn suspects house this morning and the kiddy porn suspect took out all 5 of the agents killing 2. That's a 100% casualty rate with a 40% fatality rate. The kiddy porn suspect then got so bored waiting for more agents to show up that he killed himself.

If this is the best the FBI can muster then things really don't bode too well for them for future gun confiscations by the feds.

[CexMashean]

Since you're too incompetent to post a link for the story, I'll help the others out:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2021/02/02/fbi-florida-shooting/

Feb. 2, 2021 at 4:02 p.m. CST
Two FBI agents were shot and killed and three others wounded early Tuesday morning as they tried to search the South Florida apartment of a suspect in a child pornography investigation, FBI officials said, marking one of the most gruesome days in recent memory for the country’s premier federal law enforcement institution.

The deadly encounter marks the first time since 2008 that an FBI agent has been fatally shot while out doing law enforcement work, and it drew comparisons to an incident 35 years ago in which two agents were killed and five others were wounded in a bloody shootout in a residential suburb of Miami. The bureau released few details of the encounter, other than to say the shooting occurred as agents went to an apartment complex about 6 a.m. “to execute a federal court-ordered search warrant in furtherance of a violent crimes against children case.”

Law enforcement officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing, said preliminary reports indicate the suspected shooter killed himself, though cautioned that investigators were still working to piece together the precise circumstances of the encounter. Authorities have not identified the suspect.

Authorities said those killed from the FBI were special agents Daniel Alfin, 36, and Laura Schwartzenberger, 43, who both specialized in investigating crimes against children. Two other agents were taken to the hospital in stable condition, and another was hurt but remained on the scene, officials said.

“Every day, FBI Special Agents put themselves in harm’s way to keep the American people safe,” FBI Director Christopher A. Wray said in a statement. “Special Agent Alfin and Special Agent Schwartzenberger exemplified heroism today in defense of their country. The FBI will always honor their ultimate sacrifice and will be forever grateful for their bravery. We continue to stand by our FBI Family, and the families of these Special Agents, in the days to come, bringing every resource we can to get through this together.”

The shooting took place at the Water Terrace apartments in Sunset, Fla., a bedroom community just northwest of Fort Lauderdale. Royal palms line the nearby streets, with the complex itself located in a part of town where expensive subdivisions of lavish homes give way to middle-class housing. Officials said agents went in hopes of seizing computer or other equipment from the residence when the shooting broke out.

The sprawling campus, cut by a canal, is gated and surrounded mauve-colored walls, and the units are housed in taupe buildings, some of them two stories tall. On Tuesday, children in multicolored backpacks were being escorted by crossing guards across the street, where yellow caution tape marked a police cordon.

The complex is located within a four-mile radius of at least three schools, including the Franklin Academy Charter School directly across the street. Some parents there on Tuesday afternoon left work to pick up their children after hearing about the shooting.

“This is scary, but it speaks to our day and age,” said Ester Fredric, 40, a retail clerk. “I feel like I need to sit down and talk to my daughter in ways she can understand. You know, ‘No strangers. Be careful.’”

David Alfin, Daniel Alfin’s father, said his son was a graduate of Florida State University who came from a family dedicated to public service. Daniel’s older brother works in law enforcement in South Florida, and his younger brother teaches at U.S. Military Academy West Point in New York.

“I couldn’t be more proud of Daniel and his brothers,” David Alfin said. “I think that they were incredibly great kids that were interested in helping others, and they found a way to do that through their service commitments.”

According to a 2017 FBI article, Alfin was involved in the investigation into the creator of what was believed to be the world’s largest child pornography website: Playpen. Schwartzenberger did similar work, including investigating those who assume fake identities online who try to solicit or extort nude images from minors. She would periodically talk about her work and the dangers of social media to students at Miami’s Rockway Middle School, the school said in a statement.

“She would always say, ‘I feel that coming here and talking about the hard stuff means that I won’t see you guys on my end,’” the school said in a statement. “With her presentations, students would gain an awareness of online safety, cyberbullying, and experience the evidence response process of an FBI agent. … Laura’s commitment and dedication to not just Rockway, but the community as a whole, will be missed.”

Across the country, current and former law enforcement officials praised the agents, and said the shooting underscored the dangerous nature of their jobs.

“These Agents were working to protect the most vulnerable in our society,” said FBI Agents Association President Brian O’Hare. “FBI Special Agents risk their lives to protect our country, and the loss of these Agents is devastating to the entire FBI community and to our country. FBIAA hopes that all Americans will join us in our efforts to support these FBI families in this time of tragedy.”

At the Justice Department in D.C., a spokeswoman said Acting Attorney General Monty Wilkinson had been briefed on the shooting and was monitoring the investigation.

“We mourn the tragic loss of two of our FBI colleagues who were killed today in the line of duty,” Wilkinson said in a statement. “Our thoughts are with their families and loved ones and with their three colleagues who were shot in today’s devastating events. On this dark day, we pay tribute to the brave men and women of the FBI who put their lives on the line every day in support of our mission. We will never forget the ultimate sacrifice made by these special agents.”

The FBI publicly lists 81 agents and other employees who have lost their lives in the line of duty, according to an FBI site that tracks those who have been killed or died in the line of duty. The total includes several, in recent years, whose deaths were attributed to illnesses linked to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

According to the agency’s “Wall of Honor,” the most recent shooting death occurred in 2008, when Special Agent Samuel S. Hicks was killed while serving a warrant near Pittsburgh. Authorities were executing a warrant at a house connected to a drug-trafficking organization when Hicks was fatally shot, according to the bureau.

[jammeejamm]

be interesting when more is released.

agents likely did not think pedobro was a tough guy.

[svauto-erotic855]

be interesting when more is released.

agents likely did not think pedobro was a tough guy.

Then why would they show up five deep wearing body armor and carrying guns?

What the guy was suspected of doing is immaterial. The point is even when prepared they still incurred a 100% casualty rate with a 40% fatality rate.

[Sean88gt]

The Capital showed us how over-matched police are. The first guy that shoots back in a confiscation isn't their problem...it's the second guy that shoots back. He will be the one that fuels the fuck-you movement.

[svauto-erotic855]

The Capital showed us how over-matched police are. The first guy that shoots back in a confiscation isn't their problem...it's the second guy that shoots back. He will be the one that fuels the fuck-you movement.

I'm friends with a guy that posted on the old board. He's retired law enforcement and from 2015 to 2017 was working on his Doctorate and I helped him do it. His thesis was about crimes committed with firearms in the United States. A shocking conclusion that we noticed from the data that we had available that stretched back to the early 1960s was that anytime a police entry team faced somebody that had a rifle who was willing to fight an average of 2.8 officers died.

If you get in a gunfight with any law enforcement you're going to die, it will probably be a short time after the fight begins or by being executed some years after the fact.

Everyone dies eventually; how you live and how you die can be up to you.

[Broncojohnny]

A part of the job of police is to keep up the illusion of law and order.

[svauto-erotic855]

A part of the job of police is to keep up the illusion of law and order.

There was a corrupt politician in the early 20th century that said the illusion of Law & Order must be maintained at all times especially when breaking the law.

[Trip McNeely]

The Capital showed us how over-matched police are. The first guy that shoots back in a confiscation isn't their problem...it's the second guy that shoots back. He will be the one that fuels the fuck-you movement.

Don’t worry, Swallwell will just call in an air strike and nuke the violators as stated earlier last year.

[ceyko]

A part of the job of police is to keep up the illusion of law and order.

It's really no different than prison guards - if the prisoners want to takeover they will.

To me a key difference is that if a large portion of citizens were to revolt, a good portion of the police would backdown/join the citizens.

I'm not sure how the military would respond. I'm not talking about the boots on the ground, more the political side of the military.

[Trip McNeely]

I'm not sure how the military would respond. I'm not talking about the boots on the ground, more the political side of the military.

*See my comment above.

[Nash B.]

[Craizie]

Lol. Now they are saying he ambushed the agents.... I'd agree if they weren't trying to knock his front door down.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/child-porn-suspect-ambushed-fbi-194316985.html

[BP]

I'm not sure how the military would respond. I'm not talking about the boots on the ground, more the political side of the military.

It'll depend on how many gender neutral flag officers we can get pushed through congress before hand. So far the military academies have done a pretty good job of weeding them out but who knows what'll happen in 20+ years when the Obama crop starts earning their stars.

[Gasser64]

The FBI raided a kiddy porn suspects house this morning and the kiddy porn suspect took out all 5 of the agents killing 2. That's a 100% casualty rate with a 40% fatality rate. The kiddy porn suspect then got so bored waiting for more agents to show up that he killed himself.

If this is the best the FBI can muster then things really don't bode too well for them for future gun confiscations by the feds.

Which begs the question, why didn't they just arrest him when he was in filling his cart at the grocery store? Or walking his dog? Anything has to be better than going to what could easily be a death trap. And apparently was.

Don’t worry, Swallwell will just call in an air strike and nuke the violators as stated earlier last year.

I know these people are waaaay to stupid to understand this, but they'd just as well nuke themselves at the same time. The result will be the exact same. That's the reality of it.