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    Mass Attorney General Unilaterally Rewrites the State’s Gun law's.

    Without the legislature, without the governor, and without any form of public consultation, the attorney general of Massachusetts has today rewritten the state’s 1998 Gun Control Act. In an edict sent out this morning, AG Maura Healey explained that the law no longer meant what it had meant since 1998, but instead would mean what she wanted it to mean.

    Writing in the Boston Globe, Healey outlined the changes: The Massachusetts assault weapons ban mirrors the federal ban Congress allowed to expire in 2004. It prohibits the sale of specific weapons like the Colt AR-15 and AK-47 and explicitly bans “copies or duplicates” of those weapons. But gun manufacturers have taken it upon themselves to define what a “copy” or “duplicate” weapon is. They market “state compliant” copycat versions of their assault weapons to Massachusetts buyers. They sell guns without a flash suppressor or folding or telescoping stock, for example, small tweaks that do nothing to limit the lethalness of the weapon. That will end now. On Wednesday, we are sending a directive to all gun manufacturers and dealers that makes clear that the sale of these copycat assault weapons is illegal in Massachusetts. With this directive, we will ensure we get the full protection intended when lawmakers enacted our assault weapons ban, not the watered-down version of those protections offered by gun manufacturers.

    What does this mean in practice? Beats the hell out of me — and, apparently, of gun stores across Massachusetts, many of which have pulled all of the rifles from their shelves while they figure out what on earth just happened. At best — well, “best” — Healey’s measure could mean that any gun that is named on the state’s banned list can never, ever be sold, irrespective of whether it has the cosmetic features for which it was prohibited in the first place. In other words, it could mean that all AR-15s that have been modified to comport with Massachusetts law are now illegal purely because they are AR-15s. (This scenario would be especially odd given that Healey concedes that there is no good reason to ban accessories, and therefore raises the question of why the state did so in the first instance.) At worst, this could be an extremely ham-fisted attempt to outlaw all semi-automatic weapons in the state, in flagrant violation of D.C. v Heller’s explicit “common use” standard.

    If you read Healey’s Globe article closely, you’ll see her confirm that “if a gun’s operating system is essentially the same as that of a banned weapon, or if the gun has components that are interchangeable with those of a banned weapon, it’s a ‘copy’ or ‘duplicate,’ and it is illegal.” Well, if taken literally, that would cover pretty much every modern firearm in existence, as all Healey would have to do is point to similarities between a weapon she wants to ban and a weapon named on the state’s banned list and, hey presto!, no guns at all can be sold in Massachusetts. Or it could be something in between: That is, the law could now mean whatever the incumbent attorney general happens to think that it should mean. Leaving aside how utterly stupid it is for governments to categorize and to prohibit weapons in this manner; ignoring for now that Massachusetts’s strictest-in-the-nation gun-control laws have coincided with an increase in gun crime, against the national trend; and averting our eyes from the fact that Healey is responding to a non-problem (there were literally no murders committed with rifles in her state last year), that the millions of people who live in Massachusetts are allowing their rights to be regulated on-the-fly by a single ill-informed official is utterly astonishing. In order to avoid the confusion and the caprice that this sort of behavior inevitably yields, I propose a better means of regulating the behavior of the citizenry henceforth: We could call it “the law,” and we could demand that it be written by “legislators” and subject to the strictures of a “constitution.” Crazy, I know.

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...ssault-weapons
    Last edited by Jimbo; 07-22-2016, 10:45 AM.

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    Why the hell do you repubicans always think "we are coming to take your guns" when all we are doing is looking for common sense legislation on firearms -these weapons of war??

    I mean it's not like you can point to any govt IN HISTORY unilaterally taking your oh so lauded gun rights. And even if you could find one, any negative effects were certainly not caused by the lack of guns. You can't cure a famine with assault rifles, people. You can't eat bullets.

    Besides, it's a known fact that guns kill people, so any reasonable person would rightly assume that if only the govt had guns, then there'd be less killing. History backs that up for fuck's sake!

    I mean really, c'mon. Only the govt should really have guns. They are there to help us, and all these guns and talks about esoteric, anachronistic things like "The Constitution", "God given rights" and let's be real here, "God" in general, are the reasons that our govt's plan to make everything better is having so much trouble.

    Why do you want to stand in the way of progress? Why do you insist on keeping these things around that are only good for murdering babies and black people?

    And another thing! Why does it have to be History? HIStory?! What misogynistic, patriarchal bullshit is that?!

    Why can't it be Herstory?

    From now on that's exactly what it's gonna be. Herstory! And chapter one starts with Hillary being elected President!

    She's going to deal with all you neanderthallic, gun toting ( but not for long, heh), racist, homophobic, bigoted, right-wing (but I repeat myself) Trump voters ( there I go again) in short order.

    I'm on the right side of Herstory. I'm with Her. Are you?!
    Last edited by sc281; 07-22-2016, 11:31 AM.

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    • #3
      Does that mean that LEO's can't have them either?
      G'Day Mate

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      • #4
        Originally posted by sc281 View Post
        Why the hell do you repubicans always think "we are coming to take your guns" when all we are doing is looking for common sense legislation on firearms -these weapons of war??

        I mean it's not like you can point to any govt IN HISTORY unilaterally taking your oh so lauded gun rights. And even if you could find one, any negative effects were certainly not caused by the lack of guns. You can't cure a famine with assault rifles, people. You can't eat bullets.

        Besides, it's a known fact that guns kill people, so any reasonable person would rightly assume that if only the govt had guns, then there'd be less killing. History backs that up for fuck's sake!

        I mean really, c'mon. Only the govt should really have guns. They are there to help us, and all these guns and talks about esoteric, anachronistic things like "The Constitution", "God given rights" and let's be real here, "God" in general, are the reasons that our govt's plan to make everything better is having so much trouble.

        Why do you want to stand in the way of progress? Why do you insist on keeping these things around that are only good for murdering babies and black people?

        And another thing! Why does it have to be History? HIStory?! Why can't it be Herstory?

        From now on that's exactly what it's gonna be. Herstory! And chapter one starts with Hillary being elected President!

        She's going to deal with all you neanderthallic, gun toting ( but not for long, heh), racist, homophobic, bigoted, right-wing (but I repeat myself) Trump voters ( there I go again) in short order.

        I'm on the right side of Herstory. I'm with Her. Are you?!
        She approves
        Fuck you. We're going to Costco.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Grimpala View Post
          Does that mean that LEO's can't have them either?
          Hell no they can't have them! You see how many black people they murder, just for the fun of it!?

          What the fuck's wrong with you?

          We need to abolish them and put in their place a Federal civilian security force that is just as strong and just as well funded. There are already good examples of this in practice. Look at the TSA, for instance.

          These problems came about because of lack of Federal oversight and control. Why would we continue to make that same mistake?
          Last edited by sc281; 07-22-2016, 11:35 AM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by KBScobravert View Post
            She approves
            She is pretty admirable, isn't she? Hillary has many times lauded her wisdom and courage in fighting for women of all color's right to choose.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by sc281 View Post
              She is pretty admirable, isn't she? Hillary has many times lauded her wisdom and courage in fighting for women of all color's right to choose.
              ...and supported Robert Byrd. Got that minority vote locked down.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Jimbo View Post
                ...and supported Robert Byrd. Got that minority vote locked down.
                Hey just because the guy was an exalted cyclops in the KKK and voted against the civil rights act doesn't mean he didn't do good for black people. He's a democrat, and was a tireless supporter of welfare, food stamps, and various govt benefits. That alone has helped poor blacks who can't get jobs in the white mans world.

                Hell, the NAACP forgave him. And if there is a more fair minded, rational, and selfless group of people I haven't met them.

                Not like the NRA-ACP. the National (or Nazi, if you will) Rifle Association for the Assassination of Colored People.

                Little known fact: They got the name from Colt's .45 ACP death dealing bullet.
                Last edited by sc281; 07-22-2016, 12:24 PM. Reason: How the fuck did I misspell Nazi?! I'm white, and according to the Left that makes me one of them.

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                • #9
                  sc281, You're on a goddamn roll today
                  "If I asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." - Henry Ford

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Baron Von Crowder View Post
                    sc281, You're on a goddamn roll today
                    The only roll I'm goddamning today is the racist bullshit Texas is pulling with the voter rolls.

                    Can you fucking believe that you have to show ID to cast a vote!?!

                    How the hell are undocumented immigrant democrats supposed to find a guy/gal/other that will make fake ID's? Do you know what kind of burden that's going to put on them?!

                    I mean, voting is SUPPOSED to be an inALIENable right, is it not?!?

                    And don't even get me started on the usurpation of the deceased's right to vote (democrat).. It's bad enough they died, but now you want to kill the last voice they have and ensure their unfinished business to vote for Hillary goes undone!?!

                    Voter suppression is in full effect!!

                    goddamn Texas you cold, cold motherfuckers..


                    No Justice! No resting in peace!
                    Last edited by sc281; 07-22-2016, 01:25 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Well now we know who the democratic nominee will be for next US AG. Fuck the law, I can pick and choose however I want because I know better libtards.

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                      • #12
                        Senator Don Humason files bill stripping Attorney General Maura Healey's authority on firearms sales in Massachusetts

                        A day after gun rights activists flooded the streets outside the Massachusetts State House to protest Attorney General Maura Healey, state Sen. Don Humason said he's filed legislation in response to her crackdown on assault-style weapons.


                        on July 24, 2016 at 12:30 PM, updated July 24, 2016 at 12:46 PM

                        BOSTON - A day after gun rights activists flooded the streets outside the Massachusetts State House to protest Attorney General Maura Healey, state Sen. Don Humason said he's filed legislation in response to her crackdown on assault-style weapons.

                        Humason, R-Westfield, referred to Healey's decision to step up enforcement on what she called "copycat" weapons as "unclear" and an "overreaching attempt to reinterpret the intention of the Legislature on this issue."

                        "As recently as 2014 we debated the state's gun laws, and to my best recollection this concern was not expressed by a single member in either branch during that debate or the previous sixteen years the Legislature debated this issue," Humason said in a statement.

                        Humason's bill would strip from Healey's office its authority to issue rules and regulations on firearms sales in Massachusetts, according to the senator's office. The language in the bill is available below.

                        According to Humason's office, the bill has support from state Sens. Vinny deMacedo, R-Plymouth, and Anne Gobi, D-Spencer, and state Reps. David DeCoste, R-Norwell, Shawn Dooley, R-Nortfolk, Tim Whelan, R-Brewster, and David Muradian, R-Grafton.

                        After the Saturday gun rally, which was attended by several of the aforementioned lawmakers, a Healey spokeswoman said the office's enforcement notice to manufacturers clearly stated "copycat assault weapons are illegal and have been in Massachusetts since 1998."

                        "For far too long, the gun industry has been allowed to flout our state assault ban," Jillian Fennimore, the spokeswoman, said in an email.

                        "Claims that we are changing the law and taking guns away from law-abiding citizens are inaccurate and misinformed," she added. "Our office will continue to work with the gun industry, including manufacturers and dealers, so they understand the law and comply with it."

                        Gun activists at rally: 'This has gone national'

                        But Humason said the notice "flies in the face of the transparent and accessible government that residents expect and we work to ensure."

                        "Public input and deliberative debate is critical when we are considering changes to laws regarding citizens' constitutional rights," he said in a release on his legislation.

                        Humason's office provided a copy of the language in his bill:

                        SECTION 1. Section 2 of Chapter 93A of the General Laws, as appearing in the 2008 Official Edition, is hereby amended by inserting, in line 11, after the word "chapter" the following words: provided that such rules and regulations shall not govern, limit, or otherwise relate to weapons as defined in Section 121 of Chapter 140, the manufacture of weapons or the sale of weapons. Further, that any such rule or regulations having previously being promulgated are hereby repealed."

                        Humason's bill is a longshot at this point: The Legislature is wrapping up work on major bills on July 31 and lawmakers' focus will then turn to the campaign trail. The July agenda includes overrides of Gov. Charlie Baker's budget vetoes and bills on municipal finance reform, regulating companies like Uber and Lyft, dealing with non-compete agreements, and economic development.

                        Lawmakers will continue to meet in informal sessions at the State House for the rest of the year, but the agendas usually include non-controversial matters.

                        Humason's Senate district includes parts of Chicopee and Agawam, Easthampton, Holyoke, Westfield, Granville, Montgomery, Russell, Southampton, Southwick and Tolland.
                        "Self-government won't work without self-discipline." - Paul Harvey

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                        • #13
                          MA AG tries to un-muddy the waters just muddies it down more:

                          In what some gun rights advocates are calling a confusing development, Attorney General Maura Healey attempted to further clarify her reinterpretation of the state’s assault weapon ban.

                          In July, Healey announced her office was ratcheting up enforcement of the Commonwealth’s ban by targeting guns whose actions are similar to AR-15s and AK-47s but meet current cosmetic requirements such as being sold without features such as a flash suppressor, bayonet lug or telescoping stock. She contends as many as 10,000 such rifles were sold in Massachusetts in 2015.

                          Since then, her unilateral change has sparked confusion among gun dealers, legislative inquiry into her actions and promised litigation from the firearms industry. Even Gov. Charlie Baker and his Secretary of Public Safety and Security Daniel Bennett questioned the policy change citing fears law-abiding gun owners may inadvertently end up criminalized.

                          In an apparent effort to throw more light on just what is and is not considered an assault weapon by her office, Healey this week posted information entitled “Guns That Are Not Assault Weapons” on her site in which considers exempt:

                          Any handgun on the current version of the state’s Approved Firearms Roster
                          Any .22 caliber rifle
                          Any “Ruger Mini 14 or substantially-similar model weapon”
                          Any of the rifles or shotguns mentioned under the original 1994 list as exempt
                          Weapons operated by manual bolt, pump, lever, or slide action
                          Antiques, relics, or theatrical props
                          Semiautomatic rifles that cannot accept a detachable magazine that holds more than five rounds of ammunition
                          Semiautomatic shotguns that cannot hold more than five rounds of ammunition in a fixed or detachable magazine
                          The updated guidance goes on to clarify that guns classified as assault weapons cannot be modified to fire .22 caliber ammunition to make them acceptable.

                          The clarification comes just days after Healey publicly addressed contentions that her guidance was confusing in her regular monthly appearance on Boston Public Radio’s “Ask the AG” segment.

                          “We could not be more explicit,” she said. “The law and our enforcement does not apply to pistols, does not apply to handguns, does not apply to any number of weapons that are already out there, available for purchase. Contrary to what the governor has suggested, there’s not confusion about this. There’s no lack of clarity about this.”

                          The Gun Owners’ Action League, which has been organizing rallies in protest of Healey’s actions in the past several weeks, holds the new information only muddies the waters even more.

                          “Upon viewing the page there are many new questions, which make this untenable situation increasingly murky,” reads a statement from the group.

                          GOAL points out that Healey states rifles in .22 caliber are acceptable but there is no clarification as to if the statement includes both rimfire and centerfire chamberings.

                          They are further puzzled by the exclusion of the “Ruger Mini 14 or substantially-similar model weapon” saying that, “virtually every semi-automatic magazine fed rifle is substantially similar to the Mini 14.”

                          Indeed, the Mini-14 uses a rotating bolt which was very similar to that of the M1 Garand — that is not considered an assault rifle by Healey’s office — while the same type is also used on the Springfield M1A, which is.

                          “This is disturbing considering that Healey has threatened gun owners not in compliance with a ten-year felony charge for transferring items that are legal to transfer according to Mass General Law,” notes GOAL.
                          "Self-government won't work without self-discipline." - Paul Harvey

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                          • #14
                            "All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void."

                            -- Marbury vs. Madison

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by GhostTX View Post
                              MA AG tries to un-muddy the waters just muddies it down more:


                              http://www.guns.com/2016/08/19/massa...sault-weapons/
                              So AR15s in 223 are OK, since they're 22 caliber
                              Originally posted by Broncojohnny
                              HOORAY ME and FUCK YOU!

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