Finally Here 41f...

[Nash B.]

So you just have to fill it out once and keep buying something every 23 months.

[David]

So you just have to fill it out once and keep buying something every 23 months.

Pretty much how I read it.

[Machx2]

So how long do we have before this is implemented. I saw 180 days, when does that countdown start. I need to do my sbs before then.

[Nash B.]

It's effective the first week of July - the 2nd, I believe.

[Probie]

My buddy (lawyer ) did a write up on it

https://primaryandsecondary.com/41f-and-you/

[LANTIRN]

My buddy (lawyer ) did a write up on it

https://primaryandsecondary.com/41f-and-you/

Does your buddy have any idea what the cleo notification will entail? No one seems to be sure on that so far.

[David]

It could be as much as a sworn section on the form being submitted saying you notified whichever local CLEO you have chosen or it could be as little as mailing a copy regular mail and calling it a day.

[LANTIRN]

It could be as much as a sworn section on the form being submitted saying you notified whichever local CLEO you have chosen or it could be as little as mailing a copy regular mail and calling it a day.

There are alot of things it could be. I would really like to know what they actually want.

[David]

There are alot of things it could be. I would really like to know what they actually want.

They want you to send a completed copy of whichever form you are submitting to whichever CLEO you choose to send it to.

When an FFL does multiple pistol sales to one individual in a week, they just drop the notification in the mail and call it a day. Why would this be any different?

[LANTIRN]

They want you to send a completed copy of whichever form you are submitting to whichever CLEO you choose to send it to.

When an FFL does multiple pistol sales to one individual in a week, they just drop the notification in the mail and call it a day. Why would this be any different?

You really think they are going to make it that easy? It reads like they want some kind of proof or acknowledgement that it actually happened. The new rules state that form 1, 4, and 5 will have "certification" (where the cleo signs off) replaced with "notification". That has to be filled out or signed before you send it to the ATF. I don't think it is a courtisy copy. It reads like you send all the paperwork to the cleo, wait on him to acknowledge on the form 1 or 4 that he was notified, then send that to the ATF and await the tax stamp.

[David]

You really think they are going to make it that easy? It reads like they want some kind of proof or acknowledgement that it actually happened. The new rules state that form 1, 4, and 5 will have "certification" (where the cleo signs off) replaced with "notification". That has to be filled out or signed before you send it to the ATF. I don't think it is a courtisy copy. It reads like you send all the paperwork to the cleo, wait on him to acknowledge on the form 1 or 4 that he was notified, then send that to the ATF and await the tax stamp.

The ATF has already stated there no more CLEO signature required for anything when this goes into effect.

No where in the notification of the CLEO break down does it say and wait for a signature to be returned to applicant of acknowledgement of notification and then mail to ATF.

[Nash B.]

You really think they are going to make it that easy? It reads like they want some kind of proof or acknowledgement that it actually happened. The new rules state that form 1, 4, and 5 will have "certification" (where the cleo signs off) replaced with "notification". That has to be filled out or signed before you send it to the ATF. I don't think it is a courtisy copy. It reads like you send all the paperwork to the cleo, wait on him to acknowledge on the form 1 or 4 that he was notified, then send that to the ATF and await the tax stamp.

Notification, not acknowledgement. If they required another step to further burden us, it would be in there.

[LANTIRN]

Notification, not acknowledgement. If they required another step to further burden us, it would be in there.

Problem I have is they are not specific on what they consider an acceptable form of notification. They are being rather vague on the issue and we have seen what happens when the atf decides to be vague about stuff. People get confused and no one knows exactly what is wanted. They have failed to define what is acceptaboe for notification and I find that worrying.

[Silverback]

Problem I have is they are not specific on what they consider an acceptable form of notification. They are being rather vague on the issue and we have seen what happens when the atf decides to be vague about stuff. People get confused and no one knows exactly what is wanted. They have failed to define what is acceptaboe for notification and I find that worrying.

I had this conversation with Yale today.

If they were smart then all electronic forms would include a section with "notify CLEO", where you would choose your municipality to notify, and the automated process would send them the paperwork completing your notification, otherwise you're going to have to have a certified letter, or a SIGNATURE! showing proof that you notified.

[LANTIRN]

I had this conversation with Yale today.

If they were smart then all electronic forms would include a section with "notify CLEO", where you would choose your municipality to notify, and the automated process would send them the paperwork completing your notification, otherwise you're going to have to have a certified letter, or a SIGNATURE! showing proof that you notified.

Exactly the point I am trying to make but no one seems to get that.