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  • NY/NYC ammo proposal...

    LMAO. Sad state of affairs...

    Cliffs:
    Owners can only buy twice the capacity of the weapon every 90 days. Violation can be up to 3 months in jail.

    State lawmakers from Brooklyn announced on Monday new draft legislation aimed at tightly restricting the sale of ammunition in New York.

    The Senate and Assembly bills were drafted in an effort to keep potential terrorists from stocking up on ammo, according to sponsors state Sen. Roxanne Persaud and Assemblymember Jo Anne Simon. The twin bills are backed by Brooklyn Borough President Eric Adams, who worked with Persaud and Simon to craft them.

    The legislation would place a strict limit on the number of bullets a gun owner could purchase over a 90-day time period, and prevent gun dealers from selling ammunition for a firearm to anyone unauthorized to have such a weapon.

    “If I have a cold I can’t buy Sudafed without ID, but I can walk into any gun shop and walk out with enough bullets to arm a small army without showing any kind of ID,” Simon said in a joint release. “I can buy any kind of bullets regardless of what kind of gun I own. I don’t even have to own a gun to stock up on bullets. Nothing stops me from having friends buy even more bullets for me. The sky is the limit. The San Bernardino shooters had 6,000 rounds of ammunition. We need this legislation so that cannot happen here.”

    Adams, a former police officer with the NYPD who figured in the passage of the NY Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement (SAFE) Act, said there was a “a responsibility to put public safety first, in the face of the blood-soaked carnage of mass shootings, made possible by the calculated and unrestricted stockpiling of thousands of deadly ammunition rounds.”

    “Limiting the quantity and duration between purchases of ammunition is one step in preventing someone with criminal intent from easily accessing large quantities of ammunition,” Persaud said.

    While the measure is aimed at owners of assault rifles, the language contained in the draft legislation would also affect owners of handguns with much smaller capacities, such as six-shooters.

    Since the measure would cap the amount of ammunition to no more than twice the amount of the capacity of the weapon every 90 days, these gun owners would be limited to buying a dozen bullets every three months.

    This provision is likely to make the bill unpopular with everyday gun owners and advocacy groups including the National Rifle Association. The Brooklyn Eagle has reached out to the NRA for comment.

    Under the proposal, Section 270.00 of the New York State Penal Law would be amended to prevent gun dealers from selling ammunition for a firearm to anyone unauthorized to have such a weapon, regardless of the weapon type. Under the current code, only pistols and revolvers are specifically regulated. The bills' sponsors say this creates a “loophole” for those seeking to purchase ammunition for assault weapons.

    Penalty for the violation of this law would also be increased from a Class B misdemeanor, or not more than three months in jail and not more than $500 in fines, to a Class E felony, or up to four years in prison with a minimum of one year.

    While the practicality of limiting small-capacity gun owners to a less than a box of bullets is unexplored, those familiar with the legislation say the lawmakers look upon the language as a starting point in negotiations.
    State lawmakers from Brooklyn announced on Monday new legislation aimed at tightly restricting the sale of ammunition in New York.
    "Self-government won't work without self-discipline." - Paul Harvey

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    The San Bernardino shooters had 6,000 rounds of ammunition.
    And the 9/11 terrorists used zero bullets. This is such a stupid justification for what is ultimately an attempt at gun control.

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    • #3
      So are ammo manufactures going to now make smaller packs of ammo? This is ridiculous and don't see how they can handle regulating it or the logistics of it.

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      • #4
        what determines the ammo capacity of a firearm? the mag or the mfr specs if so the mfr can start stating that ny compliant guns have 1000 round mag capacity*. * = all mag sizes comply with ny law

        *edit* and if its mags what if you have 20 ny compliant mags

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        • #5
          Originally posted by John -- '02 HAWK View Post
          what determines the ammo capacity of a firearm? the mag or the mfr specs if so the mfr can start stating that ny compliant guns have 1000 round mag capacity*. * = all mag sizes comply with ny law

          *edit* and if its mags what if you have 20 ny compliant mags
          Remember, NY has a 10 round limit in it's mags (NY SAFE Act). And think of the poor folks with revolvers.

          Just another idiotic "feel good" law with no grounds in logic, knowledge of firearms nor common sense.
          Last edited by GhostTX; 12-30-2015, 10:37 AM.
          "Self-government won't work without self-discipline." - Paul Harvey

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          • #6
            I do not even know why they even pretend that firearms are legal in NY.
            Magnus, I am your father. You need to ask your mother about a man named Calvin Klein.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by svo855 View Post
              I do not even know why they even pretend that firearms are legal in NY.
              You can get a permit, it's a pain in the ass but it's possible. What these two clowns are proposing is impossible to enforce. People are already buying their ammo in PA or NJ since it's so difficult to locate in the state.

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              • #8
                ^^^ I have a buddy that is an investigator for the Manhattan DAs office but he lives in NJ. He is gun crazy but even for him staying legal is a pain in the ass and he has told me that he has accidentally broken the laws on many occasions. Once he gets his pension he plans on moving to a more gun friendly state.
                Magnus, I am your father. You need to ask your mother about a man named Calvin Klein.

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                • #9
                  What I like is that freedom is only a simple hop, skip and a jump over to a state that sells ammo in normal quantities. Why on earth do they think the nut jobs trying to kill lots of people won't skirt the rules (the California mass shooters bought one rifle here in Texas) or simply gain the ammo illegally?

                  On another note, do the rules apply to re-loaders? Casings aren't ammo, raw bullets aren't ammo. Powder and primers aren't ammo...
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DON SVO View Post

                    On another note, do the rules apply to re-loaders? Casings aren't ammo, raw bullets aren't ammo. Powder and primers aren't ammo...

                    We are talking about a state that makes you get a permit for a BB gun. You also need to look up what the ATF defines as ammo; they consider any component of a cartridge or shell to be actual ammo and have sent people to prison based on that.
                    Magnus, I am your father. You need to ask your mother about a man named Calvin Klein.

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                    • #11
                      Don't forget the poor bastards with a single shot or double barrel shotgun.
                      I don't like Republicans, but I really FUCKING hate Democrats.


                      Sex with an Asian woman is great, but 30 minutes later you're horny again.

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                      • #12
                        Just another gun control measure, sad.

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                        • #13
                          I'm surprised they aren't making it manditory that fired rounds be tracable back to the purchasing source.

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