Ptr 91

[YALE]

Nice, that is around what I paid before the mag scare. During all the people going crazy I sold 100 of them for $550

You probably could've charged $10/each.

[SBFORDTECH]

This is true, but who doesn't like fireballs and big booms!?


Questions for everyone, any issues with the fluted chamber and reloading the brass? Brass life seriously diminished or unreloadable?

You'll be lucky to even find the brass. It'll throw it 30'+ and tears it up pretty good on the way out.

[GrayStangGT]

Mine tears the hell out of the neck on the brass when it ejects, haven't tried reloading any yet.

[Moose242]

Without a port buffer they dent the hell out of the neck. They also put deep flutes into commercial 308 brass. 7.62x51 doesnt leave as bad of flute marks.

[GrayStangGT]

^^^^This exactly

I thought something was wrong with the gun the first time I shot it after seeing the dents and flutes in the brass and I'm fairly sure that was on some 7.62x51 even.

[CJ]

Either way, I wouldn't reload the brass. Anything you shoot out of a 91 chamber is dead brass.

[Moose242]

HK's Customer Service Manager from back in the day says "our official answer to your question is that as long as it is quality brass, and is in good overall shape, it will reload fine.

Inspect as you would any case prior to reloading, and discard any questionable ones."

[CJ]

Haha, no, I would disagree, the brass is far too overworked. It's fucking octagonal. Split necks seating bullets, been there done that, no thanks.

[Moose242]

It is done quite often:

http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-long-gun-talk/181358-saving-brass-g3-91-reloading.html

But the biggest hurdle isnt the flute marks but the necks/mouths slamming into the ejection port. A $20 port buffer gets that sorted out.

Also, flute depth can be too deep if your bolt gap is off. A properly gapped gun should produce reloadable brass.

[CJ]

It is done quite often:

http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-long-gun-talk/181358-saving-brass-g3-91-reloading.html

But the biggest hurdle isnt the flute marks but the necks/mouths slamming into the ejection port. A $20 port buffer gets that sorted out.

Also, flute depth can be too deep if your bolt gap is off. A properly gapped gun should produce reloadable brass.

Lol why are you arguing with me? I've done it myself, I'm not reading Internet posts. I did it for several years, and the failure rate and ruptured cases was too high for my tastes. I toss all the brass now.

[Moose242]

Not arguing, just linking to a forum full of other people who have contradictory first hand experience.

[CJ]

It depends on who made the barrel. My first parts kit 91 guns with surplus barrels I reloaded and the rounds were fine. The rounds I've gotten out of your ptr are very badly overworked, the cases are octagonal, brass is formed into the flutes, grooving the cases. Since this is a thread about PTR's, I would personally recommend people dont reload them.

[CJ]

Examples:






^^^^ this is what I've seen coming out of ptr's. These cases ruptured along those grooves at the neck, and at the head. The flutes are too deep and too wide compared to the hk and military barrels.

[Moose242]

Oh yes, I have seen those guns mangle some brass. On the flip side, I have also seen them produce flute marks that were superficial.

The small the bolt gap the worse it will be. Also, while fairly obvious it should be noted to prospective HK91/clone buyers that commercial .308 is more likely to get fluted than true 7.62x51. Lastly, PTRs with the "GI" barrels as they call them have looser chambers than the standard versions. I have a GI barrel on mine.

[svauto-erotic855]

Holy shit; I have been shooting HKs and HK variants since my early teens and I have never seen brass that mangled.