Which would you choose for BO if SHTF.

[Denny]

This thread is full of funny!

[Baba Ganoush]

My buddies always say "I'm calling you if the SHTF".

To which I always reply "I'll be in the local walmart parking lot running over looters, blaring Waylon Jennings. If that sounds like a plan then call me!"

[Gasser64]

Shit has hit the fan many times, in many other countries. None of it has gone down the way this thread describes. It usually just amounts to people having to eat snakes and other nasty shit.

[Denny]

Shit has hit the fan many times, in many other countries. None of it has gone down the way this thread describes. It usually just amounts to people having to eat snakes and other nasty shit.

Most people in other countries have dealt with less all their lives. These roaches wouldn't know where their next meal came from if it wasn't for McDonald's or Walmart. 72 hours will turn most into savages.

[svauto-erotic855]

My SHTF all around carry rifle is now an Arsenal SLR-106FR with an Aimpoint Micro T-1 and an AR magwell adapter. I also have the same thing without the magwell adapter in 5.45 because I have 40k + rounds of 5.45. After the initial crush dies down I will probable use a semi auto rifle in .22 lr of some sort along with a few hand guns. The food thing is easy for me as I grew up in a Mormon household and still pack rat food and keep on good terms with my local ward members even though I no longer worship with them.

[John -- '02 HAWK]

Shit has hit the fan many times, in many other countries. None of it has gone down the way this thread describes. It usually just amounts to people having to eat snakes and other nasty shit.

when has a 6.5 million person metropolis been evacuated?

shtf in other countries:

Fukushima evacuated 134,000 people
Chernobyl evacuated 45,000 people

Lagos, Nigeria has a reported population of 21 million making it one of if not the largest city in Africa. Even with the threat of multiple civil wars, gang warfare, religious strife, and ebola the city hasnt evacuated. City is also gaining population as people flee from the atrocities that are happening in their villages and other countries

Then there is the Bosnian war, those that fled the cities to smaller villages. were the first to encounter the ethnic cleansing since the towns and villages were easier to dominate.

[CJ]

MY BO weapon is my M16 with my .300blk upper, .45 upper, .22 upper, 9mm upper, or 5.56 upper. No matter what ammo I find, I have an app for that.

[YALE]

You just need a .40, a 7.62x39, and a 5.45x39 upper, and you'll have the whole set!

[LANTIRN]

Some of you guys need to read this book. This guy was living in Argentina during their economic collapse and knows first hand what it really looks like, what the warning signs are, etc, (according to his experience we are in the first stages of it). The thing is, there has never been the total collapse of the entire world economy or government, and even localized collapses were very localized. Argentina, Germany, Somalia, parts of the Soviet Union during it's collapse; these are much closer to what we have to look forward to. Will it suck? Yes. Will it be Mad Max? Not quite. There will still be some government, be it martial law. There will be some economy, be it inflated and partially barter based. There will be unemployment, employment, crime, some order, blackouts, brownouts, fuel shortages, and a host of other things, but it very likely will not be Mad Max. Fun sci fi, not heavily grounded in reality. Just because it has never, ever happened does not mean it can't, but that also means odds are it won't. Really the only seriously likely threat to cause that bad of a collapse is the right EMP, and even that would not be world wide, so even that would be short lived by maybe a few years. Even a plague, which has happened before, did not shut down the entire economy. Prep some? Yes. Buy food for storage? Yes. Have a plan? Yes. Bug out location? Sure. Plan for the end of the world? Probably not entirely necessary. Anyway, read the book and decide for yourself, but my bets are that whatever we face won't be nearly as bad as what Mad Max, or Eli, or The Postman dealt with.

[ame]http://www.amazon.com/The-Modern-Survival-Manual-Surviving/dp/9870563457[/ame]

[YALE]

We are definitely not in the early stages of an Argentine-style currency collapse, and that is not a remote possibility under the current circumstances.

[Denny]

We are definitely not in the early stages of an Argentine-style currency collapse, and that is not a remote possibility under the current circumstances.

Ya, it won't happen that way if/when it does. Their currency didn't pull any global weight like ours does.

[Gasser64]

when has a 6.5 million person metropolis been evacuated?

shtf in other countries:

Fukushima evacuated 134,000 people
Chernobyl evacuated 45,000 people

Lagos, Nigeria has a reported population of 21 million making it one of if not the largest city in Africa. Even with the threat of multiple civil wars, gang warfare, religious strife, and ebola the city hasnt evacuated. City is also gaining population as people flee from the atrocities that are happening in their villages and other countries

Then there is the Bosnian war, those that fled the cities to smaller villages. were the first to encounter the ethnic cleansing since the towns and villages were easier to dominate.

What evacuation? You're talking about luxuries here. What about what the koreans had to deal with, and all the rest of those piss poor little asian countries 70 years ago? Where did they get to evacuate to? They didn't, they ate snakes and shit.

[John -- '02 HAWK]

Really the only seriously likely threat to cause that bad of a collapse is the right EMP, and even that would not be world wide, so even that would be short lived by maybe a few years.

There is probably a lot grammar issues in this post

As of a a decade ago a decent sized emp attack on the US would have ramifications that would last for 20-30 years. As the US does not have any standardization or any inventory of the larger power generation parts. whats worse is that these are specialty parts that are built overseas one at a time. It would require those mfrs upto a couple years for the mfr of new parts. Then there would be logistics of delivery of those parts.

An emp that takes down a major area would cause defects and melts along that entire grid. Those melts in a residential areas would likely cause massive wildfires to spring up. Blocks and cities could burn without any way of of organizing containment. That destruction will displace and kill a lot of the linesman that will be needed to check the entire grid for defects of the transmission lines and transferal equipment when the large power generators come back on line.

To add on that, if you look at the failures in 2003 NE blackout, there is a chance that emp blackout could cascade much farther down line. Disabling communities hundreds of miles away. Plus there's the ramifications of what would happen if the power distribution network cant supply the locations that dont generate enough power for themselves. So if California has no power, the ports arent running and how does the generator parts get offloaded and transferred

Such a power collapse would also lead to the collapse of the world's economy, or abandonment by the other world powers. If either happens what happens to getting the power generator parts?

Life will suck living in a post-emp wasteland. Those that don't die in the fires, will likely die of starvation and disease. Those that survive will be living a life worse than the 1800's because the pre-industrial skill sets have been lost to time, as has the necessary equipment. Society would become a lot of have and have nots. Which leads to resentment and people getting killed for what they have

[LANTIRN]

There is probably a lot grammar issues in this post

Yeah I was pretty tired when I wrote that. That sentence doesn't make as much sense now as it did last night.

[John -- '02 HAWK]

Yeah I was pretty tired when I wrote that. That sentence doesn't make as much sense now as it did last night.

i was refering to mine. I should have just waited to respond lol