Which would you choose for BO if SHTF.

[YALE]

My dad has the POF clone from Atlantic. Seems well built. He considered SBR 'ing it but the HK stock won't bolt up. The cap will not go on far enough for the pins to line up.

Is it the single hole cap for pistols? Ace Stocks makes an adapter for them.

[John -- '02 HAWK]

if I had to grab a few things and bug out

Grab whatever ever you like, because I'm shooting you in the back as you try to walk out of the metroplex. Why go looking for supplies when people will bring it to me.

As I've said before, if the metroplex has come to the point of a sudden collapse. Nobody is getting out alive, because the DFW area infrastructure just cant handle the traffic. The region would be clogged with debilitating
car wrecks, causing people to abandon cars and roam the neighborhoods in an attempt to escape and/or hide.

[YALE]

I love that people think they can horde guns and ammo as a long term survival plan. Can any of you garden? Do you can?

[dsrtuckteezy]

Grab whatever ever you like, because I'm shooting you in the back as you try to walk out of the metroplex. Why go looking for supplies when people will bring it to me.

So you would start killing people who are of no threat to you just cause "shtf?"

I agree with Yale for once, guns would be a small part of survival, yet people focus on them the most

[Craizie]

So you would start killing people who are of no threat to you just cause "shtf?"

I agree with Yale for once, guns would be a small part of survival, yet people focus on them the most

I need the guns to rape and pillage the people that can farm.

[John -- '02 HAWK]

So you would start killing people who are of no threat to you just cause "shtf?"

I agree with Yale for once, guns would be a small part of survival, yet people focus on them the most

I will let anybody pass that looks like they are from a mad max movie, or being carried around like Xerxes in 300. Because that person has obviously figured shit out. But I'm going to shoot every one with a 3 day back pack, any tactical / milspec gear, and anyone wearing camouflage. I'm especially shooting people wearing urban or any other fashion camo

Im also burning all the grocery and sporting goods stores, and any other place people think they can hole up in and outlast any such catastrophic event. Because nobody is going to survive an event that requires evacuating the metroplex. So unless you've got an underground bunker with 5-10 years of food, water, and something to pass the time your going die.

[LANTIRN]

I will let anybody pass that looks like they are from a mad max movie, or being carried around like Xerxes in 300. Because that person has obviously figured shit out. But I'm going to shoot every one with a 3 day back pack, any tactical / milspec gear, and anyone wearing camouflage. I'm especially shooting people wearing urban or any other fashion camo

Im also burning all the grocery and sporting goods stores, and any other place people think they can hole up in and outlast any such catastrophic event. Because nobody is going to survive an event that requires evacuating the metroplex. So unless you've got an underground bunker with 5-10 years of food, water, and something to pass the time your going die.

Even if they managed to get out of dfw but had no place to go they are still fucked. You need shelter, a supply of water, and land to grow food and raise animals. Anyone whose plan is just to wonder and scavenge is fucked even if they know how to protect themselves. You need a place to hold up for a year. Estimates are about 80% die off in the first year, especially for something like an emp. If you can out live that 80% you just increased your chances a bit more. Or walk around for 30 years pretending to be Eli. Whatever.

[Moose242]

I love that people think they can horde guns and ammo as a long term survival plan. Can any of you garden? Do you can?

This. Sometimes... sometimes I think I am the only person that considers this.

I love you Yale.

[John -- '02 HAWK]

Even if they managed to get out of dfw but had no place to go they are still fucked. You need shelter, a supply of water, and land to grow food and raise animals. Anyone whose plan is just to wonder and scavenge is fucked even if they know how to protect themselves. You need a place to hold up for a year. Estimates are about 80% die off in the first year, especially for something like an emp. If you can out live that 80% you just increased your chances a bit more. Or walk around for 30 years pretending to be Eli. Whatever.

exactly thats 6.5 million people that would be displaced right now, and 7.5 million by 2020. Thinking you can survive the walk (it will take 2-3 days just to leave the metro) and then living outside of the metroplex just isn't rational.

[helosailor]

I love that people think they can horde guns and ammo as a long term survival plan. Can any of you garden? Do you can?

This.

This. Sometimes... sometimes I think I am the only person that considers this.

Yep, the best survival tool is the one between your ears.

I love you Yale.

[Ruffdaddy]

Ive always figured that the first month will be the most important to survive. Thats when all the morons will die or kill each other off. Most people outside of a month and a half will be the people that somewhat have something figured out.

And I've never understood the mentality of "I need guns so I can take that guys food and water". First off...that guy probably has guns too, and you think you're gonna go to his house, dehydrated and hungry, and waltz out with his shit? I'll be happily collecting your ammo after you try to come into my place and rob us.

If its true shtf, I agree with most other people...hold your ground. $200 in freeze dried food will get you much further than a $1500 gun by just waiting people out. AR is a good option as well as a 12ga auto loader for close quaryers.

Learn to garden... It's not hard. Buy some nice fishing gear and supplies. Learn a bit more about actual survival and realize that the guns wont be the absolute key to survival.

[soap]

First thing I would do is Secure a few holstins.

[Gasser64]

... You know clones are $1400 and under right?

Are the clones going to be as reliable as the genuine article?

I love that people think they can horde guns and ammo as a long term survival plan. Can any of you garden? Do you can?

Mountain Valley brand foods can also be hoarded. This will last you until the community comes together and begins working together again. At which point yeah you may end up being a gardener for awhile.

[John -- '02 HAWK]

you think you're gonna go to his house, dehydrated and hungry, and waltz out with his shit? I'll be happily collecting your ammo after you try to come into my place and rob us.

Have you ever looked the construction of a modern house? Its designed to protect you from the elements, not serve as a bunker. It doesnt take much breach a modern house, and it can be done in such a matter that the occupants may never realize until after they have intuders inside the walls

Mountain Valley brand foods can also be hoarded. This will last you until the community comes together and begins working together again. At which point yeah you may end up being a gardener for awhile.

What community? If the DFW area is evacuating all law and order will goto shit. Evacuees will constantly flood any community, welcoming them in will create a larger burden on already strained resources, and dismissing them can lead to hostility. Approaching a strange community will also likely get the evacuees robbed of any resources they have, and possibly killed.

[Gasser64]

Have you ever looked the construction of a modern house? Its designed to protect you from the elements, not serve as a bunker. It doesnt take much breach a modern house, and it can be done in such a matter that the occupants may never realize until after they have intuders inside the walls

All true. But you're forgetting about the survival instinct. Who's going to catch a bullet? Whoever is in that house, has the advantage. You don't know where they are, but they damn sure know where you are. How many of you are going to die before you kill that one person who's defending their food? You can do it, at the cost of no telling how many lives. All for who knows how much food.


Or, there are 12 armed men in there, just not making their presence known. And when you make that attempt, you and whoever is with you dies. Or there are lethal traps inside and the person isn't even home and you can't even find where they hid the food. You can't just say "Oh a house is no protection" because in many cases its a deathtrap for whoever is trying to take the house. Or, you can be smart, and go hunting and find other, much safer means of getting food. Like one member said, all these types of things are going to kill off the stupid rather quickly. All you have to do is outlast them. The smart aren't looking for looting and slaughter, the smart are looking to come together and reform some manner of society and stability. Isn't that what you'd rather see happen?

What community? If the DFW area is evacuating all law and order will goto shit. Evacuees will constantly flood any community, welcoming them in will create a larger burden on already strained resources, and dismissing them can lead to hostility. Approaching a strange community will also likely get the evacuees robbed of any resources they have, and possibly killed.

Well for one, after its all over, there are going to be people left. What about all the people who couldn't make it out, or simply refused to leave their homes? As we see in the cases of many natural disasters. Many of the evacuees are going to die, as they're going to be the types we've already discussed. Still there would be hoards of them, that might have to be gunned down by the "community" in order for it to survive. These evacuees would do best to just form their own community out in the middle of nowhere, or in some abandoned area.

Secondly, those of us who live in small towns are much more easily going to form these communities.