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    My next 10mm pistol

    Okay so I have 9mm, 45 ACP, and 38 super in a few different pistols.

    I really want a fully supported barrel in 10mm so I can shoot real 10mm loads not watered down 40 S&W in a 10mm casing so that sadly rules out the Delta Elite.

    So I'm considering a Dan Wesson Razorback (if I can find one).

    404 - Page not found - CZ-USA
    http://cz-usa.com/product/dw-rz-10-10mm-stainless-tritium-front-9-rd-mags/


    Or an STI Nitro 10.

    http://www.stiguns.com/nitro-10/


    Or I could get both an EAA Witness in 38 super and another in 10mm and have cash leftover..... decisions.

    Page not found - EAA Corp.
    http://eaacorp.com/portfolio-item/witness-steel-full-size/


    Anyone own and shoot any of the above? I'm looking for fun to shoot. Any of these would only be an open carry piece should that ever be legal or if the SHTF. For CC, I have other smaller weapons.
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    Where do you come up with a Delta Elite not being able to handle hot loads? (No homo)

    I for one know this to not be the case as CJ has a Delta Elite that breathes fire of 1000 dragons. VaderTT can vouch for this as well because he mistook it for an actual dragon and tried to fuck it, only to burn his dick, twice.
    Originally posted by Jester
    Every time you see the fucking guy....show him your fucking dick.. Just whip out your hawg and wiggle it in his direction, put it away, call him a fuckin meatgazer, shoot him the bird and go inside.
    He will spend the rest of the day wondering if he is gay.
    Originally posted by Denny
    What the fuck ever, you fucking fragile faggot.
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    • #3
      Smith 1006? Bren Ten? S&W 610?
      Originally posted by lincolnboy
      After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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      • #4
        ^^^ true story! (Well, most of it)

        I'm pretty sure that the last round fired out of it is still travelling.
        "It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."

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        • #5
          Originally posted by motoman View Post
          Where do you come up with a Delta Elite not being able to handle hot loads? (No homo)

          I for one know this to not be the case as CJ has a Delta Elite that breathes fire of 1000 dragons. VaderTT can vouch for this as well because he mistook it for an actual dragon and tried to fuck it, only to burn his dick, twice.
          Originally posted by lincolnboy
          After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by DOHCTR View Post
            How are these any different than what CJ loads in 10mm? I know he's loaded some pretty hot shit in his Delta Elite, at least that was his claim.
            Originally posted by Jester
            Every time you see the fucking guy....show him your fucking dick.. Just whip out your hawg and wiggle it in his direction, put it away, call him a fuckin meatgazer, shoot him the bird and go inside.
            He will spend the rest of the day wondering if he is gay.
            Originally posted by Denny
            What the fuck ever, you fucking fragile faggot.
            FORGTN SOLD1ER - xbox gamer

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            • #7
              Originally posted by motoman View Post
              How are these any different than what CJ loads in 10mm? I know he's loaded some pretty hot shit in his Delta Elite, at least that was his claim.
              Dont know.
              Originally posted by lincolnboy
              After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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              • #8
                It's a barrel design and casing support issue. The traditional 1911 design with a barrel relieved for case feeding doesn't provide adequate support for the hottest 10mm rounds according to most. Now the Dan Wesson and STI use a ramped barrel instead of the ramp as part of the frame, which allows for much better case support. The G20 also has a ramped barrel providing for more case support and the early G20s were found to be inadequate too.

                The S&W 1006 is also a good idea.

                I buy ammo from Underwood to have for self defense and if things ever get nasty. Underwood makes some great ammo.

                The Delta Elite unfortunately has a traditional 1911 design with the ramp as part of the frame and the barrel relieved. This is not ideal for 10mm.

                I'm also now reading that some say EAA frames split on the hotter 10mm loads... looks like DW, STI or a 1006 may be in my future.

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                • #9
                  The S&W 610 would be cool. Every time they fire up the tooling for that round, people trip over themselves to buy it, because the cylinder is long enough to ream for 10mm magnum. There have been single actions chambered in it, too.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by AnthonyS View Post
                    It's a barrel design and casing support issue. The traditional 1911 design with a barrel relieved for case feeding doesn't provide adequate support for the hottest 10mm rounds according to most. Now the Dan Wesson and STI use a ramped barrel instead of the ramp as part of the frame, which allows for much better case support. The G20 also has a ramped barrel providing for more case support and the early G20s were found to be inadequate too.

                    The S&W 1006 is also a good idea.

                    I buy ammo from Underwood to have for self defense and if things ever get nasty. Underwood makes some great ammo.

                    The Delta Elite unfortunately has a traditional 1911 design with the ramp as part of the frame and the barrel relieved. This is not ideal for 10mm.

                    I'm also now reading that some say EAA frames split on the hotter 10mm loads... looks like DW, STI or a 1006 may be in my future.
                    There are definitely some varying opinions out there on the 1911 forums as to what is/is not acceptable to run in 10mm DE as well as the reason earlier DE's failed.

                    Which EAA Witness model/frames have you read about issues? You can get them in both a polymer and steel frame. I'm curious because I've been eyeballing at Witness Elite Match in 10mm.
                    Originally posted by Jester
                    Every time you see the fucking guy....show him your fucking dick.. Just whip out your hawg and wiggle it in his direction, put it away, call him a fuckin meatgazer, shoot him the bird and go inside.
                    He will spend the rest of the day wondering if he is gay.
                    Originally posted by Denny
                    What the fuck ever, you fucking fragile faggot.
                    FORGTN SOLD1ER - xbox gamer

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by motoman View Post
                      There are definitely some varying opinions out there on the 1911 forums as to what is/is not acceptable to run in 10mm DE as well as the reason earlier DE's failed.

                      Which EAA Witness model/frames have you read about issues? You can get them in both a polymer and steel frame. I'm curious because I've been eyeballing at Witness Elite Match in 10mm.
                      No DE's failed, a complete redneck gossip myth. It was a prototype and they fixed the problem before any owner ever touched it. And the problem was cosmetic, it was never a failure. You always hear these celestial theories and stories about DE's but try to find any picture or verify any of it. I have never even seen a DE fail no matter what was done to it.

                      This isnt .45 ladies, 10mm has a very strong case web, they dont need to be fully supported.

                      A bren 10 is a really expensive witness. The 1006 is great but damn expensive and the trigger leaves something to be desired. The 10mm witness problems were fixed years ago.

                      If you dont have money buy a witness 10mm. If you want something bullet proof at the expense of everything interesting get a g20, if you want a collectors piece get a bren ten, if you want the best of all worlds get a DE. Ive owned just about all of them and settled on the DE. My buddy who also has tried all the 10mm options settled on a DE as well, and he is a big glock guy.
                      Last edited by CJ; 01-05-2015, 12:27 AM.
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                      • #12
                        Nothing wrong with the newer Witnesses. I had an older one that started to crack after lots of hot loads, but EAA fixed it free of charge.
                        Originally posted by Broncojohnny
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by motoman View Post
                          Where do you come up with a Delta Elite not being able to handle hot loads? (No homo)

                          I for one know this to not be the case as CJ has a Delta Elite that breathes fire of 1000 dragons. VaderTT can vouch for this as well because he mistook it for an actual dragon and tried to fuck it, only to burn his dick, twice.

                          Lol. hope I never mistake it for a cow.
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                          • #14
                            I've had 220gr at 1,200, 185gr at 1,400, 135 at 2,050, and 165 at 1,600. All this talk about supported chambers. I've done 20% over max for many, many loads and I've never seen a 10mm case rupture, and that's thousands of rounds on multiple reloaded cases. Have you ever seen a 10mm case rupture Tony? But the reason all of this discussion is irrelevant is because by and large those high pressure loads are not accurate. Whether it's in a delta, g20, 7" long slide, witness match, etc. They just typically don't shoot well at those pressures.
                            "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
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                            • #15
                              My editor is an old-school cop who had a Delta Elite when they first came out in the late 1980s and the only available ammo was the legendary Norma stuff.

                              He got rid of it because the frame started to crack.
                              Originally posted by lincolnboy
                              After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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