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    Extreme stress test on Silencerco Sparrow

    I decided I would do an extreme stress test on a sparrow from the round count perspective. Also, I get asked frequently why to avoid aluminum baffles.

    Most cans must be cleaned after 500 rounds due to their design. The easiest way to describe the reason for this is to imagine a screw inside of a tube. As you fire lead rounds through a .22 can, it builds carbon/lead up on the outside of the tube. Eventually you can't pull the screw out because the carbon is holding it in there. Hence the reason cans that disassemble with a tube and mono core must be cleaned at specific intervals. The silencerco sparrow solves this problem by having a clam shell design in the tube, you can shoot it indefinitely. At least, that's what they say.

    So, I decided I wouldn't clean my sparrow for a few weeks. I lost the round count during that period, but I believe based on what ammo I have left, I shot somewhere around 2,000rds through the can on full auto, maybe more.

    Here is my can after 2k rounds on the scale:


    Here is a sparrow with just a few hundred rounds through it:


    So, it's got at least 1 ounce of lead in it, probably more.

    Opening up the portal of hell:








    Here is a can with a few hundreds rounds on the bottom, and mine with 2k on the top:




    As you can see there is extremely high amounts of leading everywhere. Disassembling the can was nearly impossible. The sleeve did not want to slide off the clam shell. It was extremely difficult to get apart, taking nearly half an hour of beating on it with a socket to get it free. So, no you can't shoot a sparrow indefinitely without cleaning. It still seizes up. I chewed up the threads for the lock collar trying to separate it with a socket.

    Now, if you've ever tried to clean a suppressor that is leaded up, you probably know it's a bitch. You end up having to carve the lead out with a knife using extreme pressure. Usually you're limited to cutting out the bigger pieces, and you leave much of the surface lead behind. It's a terible way to clean a suppressor.



    Enter "The Dip." a 50/50 mix of hydrogen peroxide and white vinegar. This creates Peracetic Acid - CH3CO3H. Peracetic Acid and Lead do not get along. Neither does any ferric metal or aluminum. So when hear people tell you to avoid cans with aluminum baffles, this is the reason. You can't dip them. Peracetic Acid breaks down the lead into Lead Acetate - Pb(CH3COO)2.
    Last edited by CJ; 07-23-2014, 01:59 PM.
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    Once you drop in the offending part, immediately you get a show. The acid begins to eat off the lead:


    It's pretty impressive actually, after a 6-24hr dip, the lead is completely gone. For heavy leading you may have to dip twice, which is what I did in this instance.

    The dip will be a deep blue/green color once lead has been suspended:





    This is after the first dip, for about 18 hours. You can see the copper color in the lead. The peracitic acid eatsaway the lead, leaving the copper jackets/plating debris. A considerable amount of lead still remains, however it has been substantially broken down chemically. This lead has the consistency of wet chalk or clay. with a knife I cut out the crud that falls out basically, exposing new lead, that's all that needs to be done, a new batch of peracitic acid will finish it out.


    Here is the baffle stack after another 24hrs in the dip:





    some lead still remains in small quantities, but by and large it's clean.



    Once placed on the scale it weighs 6.2oz, or .2oz less than the can with a few hundred rounds through it. So it would appear I had 1.2oz of lead in the can after 2,000 rds. So that equates to about .07% of the projectile weight per round is left in the can.

    To try and combat the problem with not being able to disassemble the can, I always add anti-seize to the rear lock collar. After this experience, I've added it to the back of the clamshell as well. I will report back how well (or if) it works.
    Last edited by CJ; 07-23-2014, 12:54 PM.
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    "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler

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    • #3
      supressors do not interest me at all from an ownership standpoint, but that was a pretty good read.

      god bless.
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      • #4
        Enjoyed reading this.

        Makes me want to cut my pilot apart next weekend and see just how shitty it is. I've had it 8 yrs now and never cleaned it or taken it off the gun it's on.

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        • #5
          Very interesting. And thanks for sharing the 50/50 mix.
          WRX

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          • #6
            Sure. Just make sure its stainless steel. Just about everything else gets eaten. I left a brass brush in it for a few hours and pulled out a plastic stick.
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            • #7
              Awesome write up CJ! I've been wondering about cleaning procedures for my sparrow.
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              • #8
                Very cool, the dip does a good job of making lead its bitch.
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                • #9
                  I have been trying to order some lead acetate for months; had no clue that I could have just made it. I have lots of 65% strength hydrogen peroxide. Is this the strength that you used?
                  Magnus, I am your father. You need to ask your mother about a man named Calvin Klein.

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                  • #10
                    Great read! I wonder how bad my specwar is.... What is "stellite"?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by CJ View Post
                      Sure. Just make sure its stainless steel. Just about everything else gets eaten. I left a brass brush in it for a few hours and pulled out a plastic stick.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by svo855 View Post
                        I have been trying to order some lead acetate for months; had no clue that I could have just made it. I have lots of 65% strength hydrogen peroxide. Is this the strength that you used?
                        3%, haha, nothing that strong, not making liquid fuel rockets.
                        "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
                        "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler

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                        • #13
                          Dude, I can get you paracetic in bulk.
                          ZOMBIE REAGAN FOR PRESIDENT 2016!!! heh

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                          • #14
                            You could also just melt the lead off with a low temp hand held torch. Then a little bath to finish clean and viola.

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                            • #15
                              I would hate to weigh my Outback.
                              Fuck you. We're going to Costco.

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