Japan to lift weapon export ban!

[71chevellejohn]

Has he added onto 922r?

Obama probably doesn't know what that is.

[YALE]

Obama probably doesn't know what that is.

Agreed, lol.

[68RR]

They shoot an even weaker version.

yep...basically it shoots a slightly lower charged 7.62X51 to enable the Japanese to handle the recoil. Will shoot the NATO 7.62X51 but not the standard load 7.62 ...

[Moose242]

yep...basically it shoots a slightly lower charged 7.62X51 to enable the Japanese to handle the recoil. Will shoot the NATO 7.62X51 but not the standard load 7.62 ...

They handled the shit out of some 7.7 Jap, so the reduced power rounds are a bit odd.

[68RR]

Not really. During WW2 they used what they were given. This gun came out in the 60's (64), hence a bit smarter Military procurement/testing process.The 64 is modeled after the FAL, so I would say that preliminary firing tests brought about the slightly lower charge.

[Moose242]

So the change from 6.5 jap to 7.7 jap was wrong?

[CJ]

7.7 is no joke. I shot my arisaka a few weeks back and my shoulder stung for a few days. Accurate gun though, I love the sights.

[68RR]

So the change from 6.5 jap to 7.7 jap was wrong?

Didn't say that... what I said was it didn't matter what was issued, the men would use it with out complaint ( to their Officers).. they (Officers) didn't take into consideration any discomfort from the recoil, or the cumbersome length/weight of their weapons. They were issued and used.. Anyone with experience with the Type 94 pistol (have one) learns very quick how unsafe the gun is. They were issued and used..
Smarter people prevailed post war in all weapons testing/procurement..

Here's an example of their thinking back then. I've been in communications with and doing research for the sole survivor of the 2nd chutai, 77th sentai S.Sgt Toshio Seki. He's credited with shooting down both an B-24 and B-29.
In the later stages of the war, he was training Kamikazi pilots in the Ki-48. During one part in their training,the student would stand behind the pilot IN FLIGHT, holding on to the seat, and watch Seki's manipulations of the controls to learn how to fly! In the Ki-48!!
Yes CJ, they do have a distinctive crack and healthy recoil!

Bill

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7.7 is no joke. I shot my arisaka a few weeks back and my shoulder stung for a few days. Accurate gun though, I love the sights.

I laughed when you were like, "no AA sights, no care."

[68RR]

I hope quality has improved since ww2!

CJ.. thought this would interest you... from another site:

" As a final word, Major General Julian S. Hatcher, in Hatcher's Notebook was clear in his defence of the Arisaka action, including the late-war action. In his opinion, backed by tests at Aberdeen Proving Grounds, the Arisaka was stronger than even a late-production M1903.

For clarity on this matter, Hatcher cited that the Arisaka was loaded up to 120,000 psi at which time the testing was stopped with no observed failures. All other military bolt actions tested started to have blown extractors at around 70,000 psi and started shedding locking lugs at around 90,000 psi. Some of the bolt actions tested were the 03 Springfield, 1917 Enfield, and the German 98 Mauser.

Hopefully that clears a few things up and lays some myths to rest"

[Moose242]

That is common knowledge dude.

[68RR]

Sorry, I don't run with your crowd and know what everybody knows.. just trying to put some info out there..

[Moose242]

All good dude. Didn't know you were a gun guy to be honest. You seem to know your stuff.

[68RR]

No problem... Dad was a gunner/armorer in the 5th AF.. He passed on what he could into my hard head.. No pro, and will never know enough..

[CJ]

CJ.. thought this would interest you... from another site:

" As a final word, Major General Julian S. Hatcher, in Hatcher's Notebook was clear in his defence of the Arisaka action, including the late-war action. In his opinion, backed by tests at Aberdeen Proving Grounds, the Arisaka was stronger than even a late-production M1903.

For clarity on this matter, Hatcher cited that the Arisaka was loaded up to 120,000 psi at which time the testing was stopped with no observed failures. All other military bolt actions tested started to have blown extractors at around 70,000 psi and started shedding locking lugs at around 90,000 psi. Some of the bolt actions tested were the 03 Springfield, 1917 Enfield, and the German 98 Mauser.

Hopefully that clears a few things up and lays some myths to rest"

Yeah I have an Arisaka. It's the exception, most of their guns were complete shit.