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  • 6.5 mm Carcano Model 91/38 carbine

    A two part thread. First, I believe that this (6.5 mm Carcano Model 91/38 carbine) is the style/type of rifle which was used in the JFK assassination. We are currently going over the details of the assassination is class, and no one seems to know exactly what the rifle is. Do any of the DFWMustang ballers know the exact rifle?

    Secondly, should these be the rifle, I would like to buy one. The problem, however, is that this rifle is not a very popular one due to its lack of accuracy. If you have one and you would like to sell it I would be interested in it, or if anyone has a link where they may be for sale I would appreciate it. The rifles on gunbroker do not seem to be the same style. Most are longer barreled rifles. I have my C&R now, so I am looking for unique weapons with a story to add to the collection.

    Anyway, I assume that talking about JFK in a gun thread is a little weird, yet surprisingly fitting.

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    This November 22nd will be 50 years since the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. The shooting itself has been the subject of movies, documentaries and countless books and articles; the legitimacy of any of them, including the official government explanation, called the Warren Report, is not within our purview to say. But we thought it would be cool to try to find one of the rifles that came from the same batch as Oswarld's supposed murder weapon, and see what it looks like close up, and how it actually shoots. The 6.5mm Carcano we were able to find is serial-numbered C4880, and Oswald's was C2766. That puts it only a couple thousand rifles away in the production line, and our test rifle has the original scope mount and scope found on Oswald's as well, almost exactly like the rifle/scope combo he bought out of the February 1963 American Rifleman ad from Kleins for $19.99. We don't know if the parts were originally on this gun and that they were part of that small batch of imports for Kleins, but it sure is cool, albeit a bit morbid, to shoot a nearly exact replica of the gun that changed the course of America, a course that still reverberates with the assassination today.

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    • #3
      Just make sure yours isn't cut down. After that, don't use regular .264 bullets. 6.5 Carcano bullets are a little bigger due to the way they measure bores in Europe. Military Gun Supply in Ft. Worth might have one on the shelf.
      ZOMBIE REAGAN FOR PRESIDENT 2016!!! heh

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      • #4
        The reason the rifles had a bad rap is people would sporterize them and cut the barrel down. The barrel has progressive rifling so they were effectively changing the twist rate, causing the accuracy problems. Oswald used a 91/38 Carcano was a 6.5mm issue gun w/ original scope. It is widely reported to have been a mannlicher carcano, but that is false.
        "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
        "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler

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        • #5
          Originally posted by CJ View Post
          The reason the rifles had a bad rap is people would sporterize them and cut the barrel down. The barrel has progressive rifling so they were effectively changing the twist rate, causing the accuracy problems. Oswald used a 91/38 Carcano was a 6.5mm issue gun w/ original scope. It is widely reported to have been a mannlicher carcano, but that is false.
          This.
          Originally posted by lincolnboy
          After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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          • #6
            PRVI-Partisan makes new ammo for it, OP.
            ZOMBIE REAGAN FOR PRESIDENT 2016!!! heh

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            • #7
              Originally posted by CJ View Post
              Oswald used a 91/38 Carcano was a 6.5mm issue gun w/ original scope. It is widely reported to have been a mannlicher carcano, but that is false.
              Wrong, LHO's had an Ordinance Optics scope fitted by Klein's Sporting Goods out of Chicago.
              Last edited by Pokulski-Blatz; 02-24-2014, 05:50 PM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Pokulski-Blatz View Post
                Wrong, LHO's had an Ordinance Optics scope fitted by Klein's Sporting Goods out of Chicago.
                Well, you finally got me on something JFK assassination related. Googled ftw.
                "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
                "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by CJ View Post
                  Googled ftw.
                  No Google here.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Pokulski-Blatz View Post
                    No Google here.
                    Oh bullshit.
                    "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
                    "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler

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                    • #11
                      Oswald's Carcano was actually a pretty rare model. And referring to it as a Mannlicher is technically incorrect, but they do use the Mannlicher clip system.
                      Originally posted by lincolnboy
                      After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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                      • #12
                        Google says it was a 91/38 "Short Rifle," and not the, "Carbine," model. I don't know the difference, or why it matters. Anyone? Bueller?
                        ZOMBIE REAGAN FOR PRESIDENT 2016!!! heh

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by CJ View Post
                          Oh bullshit.
                          Nah, the Klein's thing stuck out to me because of how anti gun Chicago is now. I thought it was really ironic that one of the rifles that changed history was a product of a Chicago based company. I was looking into building a replica rifle a while back when I found a 91/38 in a gun shop but the Ordinance Optics scope was hugely expensive.

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                          • #14
                            What do they run out of curiosity?
                            Originally posted by lincolnboy
                            After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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                            • #15
                              6.5 mm Carcano Model 91/38 carbine

                              Originally posted by DOHCTR View Post
                              What do they run out of curiosity?

                              I honestly don't recall. I know the sling was also crazy expensive. I want to say they build would have cost 900-1100 or so. But I may be way off, it has been a while since I looked into it.

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