Supreme Court to hear straw purchase case

[GrayStangGT]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/15/miller-supreme-court-decide-if-buying-gun-lawful-p/

Ex cop bought a gun for his uncle with his discount, transferred it through an FFL to his uncle and the feds arrested him for a straw purchase.

[Strychnine]

(did not click link) What am i missing here?

If they did an FFL transfer where did he break the law?

[GrayStangGT]

They are claiming it was a straw purchase because he bought it with the intent to sell it to another person.

I don't have the time to read through all this but here is all the info on it.

http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/abramski-v-united-states/

[helosailor]

I didn't see anywhere that he sold the gun to his uncle. It sounds like he gave it to him, only using his LE discount so that he could get a better deal. Purchasing a firearms for a gift is perfectly legal.

[Baron Von Crowder]

I didn't see anywhere that he sold the gun to his uncle. It sounds like he gave it to him, only using his LE discount so that he could get a better deal. Purchasing a firearms for a gift is perfectly legal.

actually, if you tell them at academy that it is a gift, they will not sell to you.

[GrayStangGT]

actually, if you tell them at academy that it is a gift, they will not sell to you.

They must have changed their policy or you got an idiot, when I worked the gun counter we sold tons of guns for gifts.

[Baron Von Crowder]

They must have changed their policy or you got an idiot, when I worked the gun counter we sold tons of guns for gifts.

I was up there with my wife, and was looking at shotguns. I found one I liked, but didnt want to spend the cash right then. My wife thought it would be a good christmas gift, so she went back to get it for me. They told her she cant buy a gun as a gift, she can only buy for her personal use. She bitched at them for a second, to no avail.

She told me the story, and I thought it was horse shit, but maybe technically correct. We went back up there and the douche that she was dealing with started the whole " Im the gun counter guy and what I say goes" bullshit that half of them have. I asked for the store manager, and explained the situation. He was a bit dumbfunded, and I could tell he didnt really know what to do.

I then asked him if I was able to buy what I want for myself, they both said yes. So I then asked for them to pull every single one they had in stock for me to go through and find the one with the nicest looking grain in the wood, and they both knew that they were about to get fucked out of the half an hour I spent driving up there and dicking with them, themselves.

I found a pretty nice one.

[bybotie]

At the end of the day, the ATF spent countless hours and tax payer dollars to go after law-abiding people exchanging firearms. If the court rules in his favor it will be a death blow to universal background checks. If the court rules against him you can bet your ass universal background checks will happen.

[GrayStangGT]

So I then asked for them to pull every single one they had in stock for me to go through and find the one with the nicest looking grain in the wood, and they both knew that they were about to get fucked out of the half an hour I spent driving up there and dicking with them, themselves.

I found a pretty nice one.

LMAO, was it a Yildiz? It was ridiculous the difference in the grain on those guns, well worth the time to go through them. I never minded going through them with a customer, better then having to straighten products or stock stuff.

[Baron Von Crowder]

LMAO, was it a Yildiz? It was ridiculous the difference in the grain on those guns, well worth the time to go through them. I never minded going through them with a customer, better then having to straighten products or stock stuff.

yeah, you know it!

[GrayStangGT]

When I was working at the NRH store some idiot at the Grapevine store turned me down because I put down the address on my license which was in Midland. Being a student that was my permanent address even though I wasn't living there at the time.

[slow06]

I didn't see anywhere that he sold the gun to his uncle. It sounds like he gave it to him, only using his LE discount so that he could get a better deal. Purchasing a firearms for a gift is perfectly legal.

I believe somewhere in the January 13 "Reply of Petitioner" it said his uncle paid him for the gun.

(Edit: His uncle paid him $400 for the gun per http://www.americanbar.org/content/d...thcheckdam.pdf)

[helosailor]

I believe somewhere in the January 13 "Reply of Petitioner" it said his uncle paid him for the gun.

Ah. That was some serious tl;dr action in all of that.

So, what was he supposed to do? Lie? Tell his uncle "no, you can't pay me for it, that would be illegal!!!111"?

It sucks that they can't prosecute any actual criminals, so they go after good, decent people.

[slow06]

Ah. That was some serious tl;dr action in all of that.

So, what was he supposed to do? Lie? Tell his uncle "no, you can't pay me for it, that would be illegal!!!111"?

It sucks that they can't prosecute any actual criminals, so they go after good, decent people.

What's worse to me is that he even sent to gun TO AN FFL to transfer it to him. He clearly did not have any intent to, nor did he ever, make a firearm available to a person who could not legally own one.

This is 100% procedural BS about what he marked on a piece of paper.

I thought the point of the reply was good, which, in part was that the idea of a straw purchase as related to a gun purchase is doctrine created by courts based on civil law, not actually a criminal law created by congress. If I understand their argument correctly, there is actually no federal law barring you from buying a gun for another person as long as they can legally purchase said gun. I don't know if the court will buy their argument but it is interesting.

[BlackGT]

actually, if you tell them at academy that it is a gift, they will not sell to you.

What Academy are you shopping at? At the Lewisville Academy we welcome people to purchase firearms as gifts and sold well over 100 during the holidays knowing they were gifts...