I cannot believe I'm about to spend $900 on optics

[CJ]

If you zoom in and the reticle zooms as well, that means the markings increase in size and cover more of the target, right??

They are etched in a way that they do not have any real growth that would impede visibility. FFP is the most desirable right now, it carrys a high premium as well. For quick Target shooting and competition FFP has a distinct advantage with variable power scopes. NF just released their first about 2 years ago at the request of the special forces. Correct me if im wrong but FFP has only recently grown in popularity, the only manufacturers that originally offered it were high end European glass like swarovski and hensoldt. FFP is also considerably more durable compared to SFP.

[03trubluGT]

When you pick up a scope, the first thing you do is look through it, put the reticle on a target, and get a sight picture. In variable-magnification scopes, there are two types of reticles: first focal-plane (FFP) and second focal-plane (SFP). Most shooters are used to SFP reticles that appear to stay the "same size" as the magnification is turned up and down. Paradoxically, this means that at different magnification settings, the reticle features demarcate different angular distances. For example, if the mil-dots are calibrated at 10x, then at 5x, they would actually mark 2 mils. Confusing? It sure is, and that leads us to the solution: the first focal-plane reticle. The FFP reticle appears to "shrink" as the magnification is dialed down, just as the actual target image shrinks. This constant ratio means that the reticle features are always calibrated; 1 mil is always 1 mil regardless of scope power. The shooter can use the reticle for range estimation, elevation hold-over, and windage hold-off at any magnification setting. The downside of the FFP configuration is that the reticle lines can be too fine at low magnification and too thick at high magnification.

Reticle choice can be a matter of personal preference, but the reticle needs to provide an uncluttered sight picture and not obscure the target. Since the reticle may be used solely, or in conjunction with the elevation and windage knobs, to specify range hold-over and wind correction, it should have marks at regular intervals. These demarcations often take the form of mil-dots or hash marks. Since both the reticle and the elevation and windage knobs specify angular distances, it is important that the "units" match. If the reticle has mil-dots or mil hashes, then the knobs should use 0.1-mil clicks. If the reticle has MOA-based demarcations, then the knobs should use 0.25 or 0.50 MOA clicks. When the units match, there is no math required to convert between using one or the other, and aiming corrections can be done with either the reticle, the knobs, or a combination. The reticle marks used for elevation and windage hold-off should be close enough to provide useful intervals, but not so close as to cover parts of the target. For windage and elevation, marks at 1/2 mil or 2 MOA work well.

http://demigodllc.com/articles/intro-long-range-rifle-scopes/

[CJ]

When you pick up a scope, the first thing you do is look through it, put the reticle on a target, and get a sight picture. In variable-magnification scopes, there are two types of reticles: first focal-plane (FFP) and second focal-plane (SFP). Most shooters are used to SFP reticles that appear to stay the "same size" as the magnification is turned up and down. Paradoxically, this means that at different magnification settings, the reticle features demarcate different angular distances. For example, if the mil-dots are calibrated at 10x, then at 5x, they would actually mark 2 mils. Confusing? It sure is, and that leads us to the solution: the first focal-plane reticle. The FFP reticle appears to "shrink" as the magnification is dialed down, just as the actual target image shrinks. This constant ratio means that the reticle features are always calibrated; 1 mil is always 1 mil regardless of scope power. The shooter can use the reticle for range estimation, elevation hold-over, and windage hold-off at any magnification setting. The downside of the FFP configuration is that the reticle lines can be too fine at low magnification and too thick at high magnification.

Reticle choice can be a matter of personal preference, but the reticle needs to provide an uncluttered sight picture and not obscure the target. Since the reticle may be used solely, or in conjunction with the elevation and windage knobs, to specify range hold-over and wind correction, it should have marks at regular intervals. These demarcations often take the form of mil-dots or hash marks. Since both the reticle and the elevation and windage knobs specify angular distances, it is important that the "units" match. If the reticle has mil-dots or mil hashes, then the knobs should use 0.1-mil clicks. If the reticle has MOA-based demarcations, then the knobs should use 0.25 or 0.50 MOA clicks. When the units match, there is no math required to convert between using one or the other, and aiming corrections can be done with either the reticle, the knobs, or a combination. The reticle marks used for elevation and windage hold-off should be close enough to provide useful intervals, but not so close as to cover parts of the target. For windage and elevation, marks at 1/2 mil or 2 MOA work well.


http://demigodllc.com/articles/intro...-rifle-scopes/

The whole "too thin, too thick" argument is a good ole boy myth, maybe in early scopes. Take a look above, does it look too thin or thick? I don't think so.

[03trubluGT]

Allright dammit, just go buy a scope so we can go shooting!

[CJ]

Allright dammit, just go buy a scope so we can go shooting!

I'm only recently learning this shit too, you old flat earther! I'm going to take you to tac pro for 1000 yards. Then you can make me feel like shit with your Cadillac glass.

[03trubluGT]

I'm only recently learning this shit too, you old flat earther! I'm going to take you to tac pro for 1000 yards. Then you can make me feel like shit with your Cadillac glass.

It's fukking on like Donkey Kong!! I can't wait for some nice range weather!

[ceyko]

Wait...hang on....I want to talk shit. I'll hit 300 yard targets with iron sights. Oh ya!

Bunch of wussies act like hitting a 500 yard target with 50K optics is hard when grunts hit less at more.

Now, at my old age I may need to get my optics (read: glasses) tuned in (read: zeroed).

[03trubluGT]

Wait...hang on....I want to talk shit. I'll hit 300 yard targets with iron sights. Oh ya!

Bunch of wussies act like hitting a 500 yard target with 50K optics is hard when grunts hit less at more.

Now, at my old age I may need to get my optics (read: glasses) tuned in (read: zeroed).

I can hit a target with open sights as well. The Marines make you hit man sized targets at 500 yard with open sights.

The difference is shooting a shotgun pattern with open sights at 500 yards, and shooting a 3" group with optics at 500 yards.

Also, the goal here is 1,000 yard shooting.

I seriously doubt you can hit a 1,000 yard target with open sights.

[ceyko]

I seriously doubt you can hit a 1,000 yard target with open sights.

lol, last night I broke one of my rules. Don't post or send emails when drinking.

Just goofing around.

[03trubluGT]

lol, last night I broke one of my rules. Don't post or send emails when drinking.

Just goofing around.

When I've been drinking, I can hit a target at 1000 yards with my snubby 1.5" barreled .38 S&W!

[svauto-erotic855]

(well, it's sold as the size of a prairie dog, but coincidentally, the size of the average prairie dog is the same as an adult human head from top to bottom - 9").

I never put 2 and 2 together. Thank you for the tip.

[CJ]

When I've been drinking, I can hit a target at 1000 yards with my snubby 1.5" barreled .38 S&W!

all day long with my NAA .22mag .75" (the noisy cricket)

[03trubluGT]

all day long with my NAA .22mag .75" (the noisy cricket)

I can one up that. I can hit a 1000 yard target with my wrist rocket!

[Moose242]

I once saw CJ hit a 1000 yard gong by holding a 308 round in his left hand, attaching a chisel to the primer, and then hitting said chisel with a hammer.

[03trubluGT]

I can hit a 1000 yard target with my orgasm.