Incredibly fast bolt action shooters

[David]

LHO is the one and only shooter. Even when someone wants to blame mediocre talent, any one with some shooting ability and knowledge can take those shots. I believe some luck played a part for the results to happen the way they did.

[Vanner27]

IMO, someone approached (Take your pick on who, I dont think it was the Ruskies though.) him and offered him a chance for glory. Set up the plan, then had a back up shooter on site if LHO looked like he was going to fail again. The only place that makes sense is 501 Elm, it is only a few feet away from LHO's window.

Did you happen to read the Stephen Hunter book, "The Third Bullet"? He pretty much has the same theory, except the shooter in the Dal-Tex building was shooting a .264 Win Mag loaded with the 6.5 Carcano bullet. It is just a fiction book with Bob Lee Swagger in it, but it is a very interesting read.

That being said, I still think Lee Harvey acted alone.

[YALE]

The rifle. I think it suffered from the same fate that the AK did prior to 1991.

People putting too small a bullet in? They take a .268 bullet instead of the American 6.5s that all take a .264 bullet.

[Danny46]

Did you happen to read the Stephen Hunter book, "The Third Bullet"? He pretty much has the same theory, except the shooter in the Dal-Tex building was shooting a .264 Win Mag loaded with the 6.5 Carcano bullet. It is just a fiction book with Bob Lee Swagger in it, but it is a very interesting read.

That being said, I still think Lee Harvey acted alone.

Did you read any of the others? I really liked point of impact, and only recently discovered that there was an entire series on Bob Lee Swagger.

[Vanner27]

Did you read any of the others? I really liked point of impact, and only recently discovered that there was an entire series on Bob Lee Swagger.

I've read most of them. I really enjoyed the ones about his Dad, Earl. I think my favorite book of all time is "Pale Horse Coming".

[CJ]

LHO is the one and only shooter. Even when someone wants to blame mediocre talent, any one with some shooting ability and knowledge can take those shots. I believe some luck played a part for the results to happen the way they did.

x2. It did not take a gifted marksman to take those shots at such a short range.

[Pokulski-Blatz]

Did you happen to read the Stephen Hunter book, "The Third Bullet"? He pretty much has the same theory, except the shooter in the Dal-Tex building was shooting a .264 Win Mag loaded with the 6.5 Carcano bullet. It is just a fiction book with Bob Lee Swagger in it, but it is a very interesting read.

That being said, I still think Lee Harvey acted alone.

I own it, but haven't made it that far into my reading list yet. I went to the 6th floor over the weekend with out of town family, so I decided to take a look at some of the theories.

[Pokulski-Blatz]

x2. It did not take a gifted marksman to take those shots at such a short range.

The dude couldn't even make a shot at under a hundred feet when he tried to kill Walker. There are several things that bug me about the assassination.

[CJ]

The dude couldn't even make a shot at under a hundred feet when he tried to kill Walker. There are several things that bug me about the assassination.

That's because he hit the window frame because of scope/bore plane offset. It was a clean headshot if that frame didn't deflect the bullet.

[Pokulski-Blatz]

That's because he hit the window frame because of scope/bore plane offset. It was a clean headshot if that frame didn't deflect the bullet.

Assuming that LHO's rife was even to be considered accurate. I still can't get past the inability to zero the rifle by the Warren Commission.

[David]

Assuming that LHO's rife was even to be considered accurate. I still can't get past the inability to zero the rifle by the Warren Commission.

What is zero? Is zero putting 3 shots on the 1" bullseye at 100yds. Is it hitting paper at 100yds? Is it putting it in any score ring on whatever size target?

[Pokulski-Blatz]

What is zero? Is zero putting 3 shots on the 1" bullseye at 100yds. Is it hitting paper at 100yds? Is it putting it in any score ring on whatever size target?

Getting the damned bullets to go where the rifle is pointed would be a good start. You know damned well what I mean. The Warren Commission had to make shims to get the rifle to hit what it was aimed at.

[CJ]

Here's the findings.

The FBI tests of the Carcano's accuracy showed:
1) FBI firearms expert Robert A. Frazier testified that "It is a very accurate weapon. The targets we fired show that."[61] From 15 yards (14 m), all three bullets in a test firing landed approximately 2½ inches high, and 1-inch (25 mm) to the right, in the area about the size of a dime.[62] At 100 yards (91 m), the test shots landed 2½ to 5 inches (130 mm) high, within a 3 to 5-inch (130 mm) circle. Frazier testified that the scope's high variation would actually work in the shooter's favor: with a target moving away from the shooter, no lead correction would have been necessary to follow the target. "At that range, at that distance, 175 feet (53 m) to 265 feet (81 m),[63] with this rifle and that telescopic sight, I would not have allowed any lead — I would not have made any correction for lead merely to hit a target of that size."
2) The rifle couldn't be perfectly sighted in using the scope (i.e., thereby eliminating the above overshoot completely) without installing two metal shims (small metal plates), which were not present when the rifle arrived for testing, and were never found.[64] Frazier testified that there was "a rather severe scrape" on the scope tube, and that the sight could have been bent or damaged. He was unable to determine when the defect occurred before the FBI received the rifle and scope on November 27, 1963.

Very easily explanation is the rifle was dropped. The FBI can't even say if that's the way the rifle was when they got it, it could very well have been dropped by a police officer, or it could have been Oswald after he shot the president. There are people who testified that when Oswald was shooting the rifle at the Sports Drome shooting range it was shooting straight, and good groups. This is far more likely than some phantom second shooter.

[Pokulski-Blatz]

Here's the findings.

1) FBI firearms expert Robert A. Frazier testified that "It is a very accurate weapon. The targets we fired show that."[61] From 15 yards (14 m), all three bullets in a test firing landed approximately 2½ inches high, and 1-inch (25 mm) to the right, in the area about the size of a dime.[62] At 100 yards (91 m), the test shots landed 2½ to 5 inches (130 mm) high, within a 3 to 5-inch (130 mm) circle. Frazier testified that the scope's high variation would actually work in the shooter's favor: with a target moving away from the shooter, no lead correction would have been necessary to follow the target. "At that range, at that distance, 175 feet (53 m) to 265 feet (81 m),[63] with this rifle and that telescopic sight, I would not have allowed any lead — I would not have made any correction for lead merely to hit a target of that size."

That part skipped my mind.

[David]

Getting the damned bullets to go where the rifle is pointed would be a good start. You know damned well what I mean. The Warren Commission had to make shims to get the rifle to hit what it was aimed at.

Point is that it was oswalds gun. It could have been perfect zero for him or he knew it was shit and knew where to point it to kind of get to where he wanted it. Like I said earlier, some luck played into where the bullets went. But he's the only one that pulled any trigger that day.