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[Baron Von Crowder]

It was a straight path. Incorrect conspiracy theorists with bad data started the "turning path" garbage. They incorrectly presumed the seating positions in a factory 1963 continental were the same as in the president's lincoln. Due to the armor connally sat further to the center than a factory car, and JFK sat higher. When they are in the proper location the bullet path was straight. Conspiracy sensationalism. All of this is covered in that Discovery documentary I referenced earlier.

My issue with the whole mess is how "cut and dry" everything is on the official reports. The loose ends just arent there, and some of the conspiracy sensationalism is due to that.

[CJ]

My issue with the whole mess is how "cut and dry" everything is on the official reports. The loose ends just arent there, and some of the conspiracy sensationalism is due to that.

That's true. There is a lot more to the Kennedy assassination than just the facts, there is a lot of political motivations to misdirect people from the truth. I did a big research paper on the JFK assassination when I was in college and I spent the better part of a year reading everything I could, etc. I was pretty fascinated with it and wanted to learn as much as I could. The JFK assassination was a turning point for politics in our country. We as a people had a choice on what to learn from that, and a path was chosen.

[Nash B.]

Better study up on magazine/clip terminology, bruh.

No, I'm good.

[Chili]

So why was there 3 spent cartridges found on the sixth floor? My favorite documentary was "Behind the Magic Bullet" on discovery. They proved every single aspect of the Warren commission, and even reproduced the "magic bullet" almost perfectly, using the next box of italian ammunition on the manufacturing floor as Oswald used.

The theory in the show I saw presenting it suggested that many people would keep an empty casing in the chamber for some reason that I cannot recall. To keep dirt out of it or something. So when he chambered the first round he ejected that first casing. They go on to justify that by the fact that one casing was several feet away from the other two.

The way they presented it, along with footage and eyewitness accounts, made a very compelling argument.

Their idea was that the Oswald's first round was the miss that struck the curb, and the second was the "magic bullet". Then the third shot (head / kill shot) was the M16 round. The secret service agent in the second car was on the drivers side. It is fact that he grabbed the M16 and stood up in the back see of the car, the theory was that he had an accidental discharge the was the head shot. They then go on to discuss in detail the "cover up" by the secret service.

Supposedly the entrance wound on teh headshot was actually smaller than Oswald's round and more consistent with 5.56.

The agreed that one bullet could have made the "magic bullet" wounds because Connelly was sitting closer to the center of the vehicle, and lower than JFK, and was turned to his right facing back after hearing Oswald's first miss shot.

IDK, I just thought it made a lot of sense the way it was laid out.

[Moose242]

Seems like if the secret service shot the president in the head it would get out.

[CJ]

The theory in the show I saw presenting it suggested that many people would keep an empty casing in the chamber for some reason that I cannot recall. To keep dirt out of it or something. So when he chambered the first round he ejected that first casing. They go on to justify that by the fact that one casing was several feet away from the other two.

The way they presented it, along with footage and eyewitness accounts, made a very compelling argument.

Their idea was that the Oswald's first round was the miss that struck the curb, and the second was the "magic bullet". Then the third shot (head / kill shot) was the M16 round. The secret service agent in the second car was on the drivers side. It is fact that he grabbed the M16 and stood up in the back see of the car, the theory was that he had an accidental discharge the was the head shot. They then go on to discuss in detail the "cover up" by the secret service.

Supposedly the entrance wound on teh headshot was actually smaller than Oswald's round and more consistent with 5.56.

The agreed that one bullet could have made the "magic bullet" wounds because Connelly was sitting closer to the center of the vehicle, and lower than JFK, and was turned to his right facing back after hearing Oswald's first miss shot.

IDK, I just thought it made a lot of sense the way it was laid out.

That's interesting to say the least. I've probably read nearly 100 different conspiracy theories and I don't recall ever hearing about this one. But, the truth is when one gets shot down with real world testing, another one takes it's place. My personal experience with 5.56 penetration would lead me to believe there's no way a 55gr projectile would go through someones head, the back of a seat, through a chest, and then into an arm, but who knows, ballistics can be very puzzling.

[Danny46]

Wasn't the exit wound (aka gaping hole) on the back of the head?

[SS Junk]

The entire side of his head was a gaping hole.

[kingjason]

You fellas know that Oswald was aiming at Connally and hit JFK by accident right? Shot at a judge prior to trying to pop Connally and it threw his rifle off because he buried it under a bridge. Something about his discharge from the military and both Connally and the judge pissing him off.

[CJ]

You fellas know that Oswald was aiming at Connally and hit JFK by accident right? Shot at a judge prior to trying to pop Connally and it threw his rifle off because he buried it under a bridge. Something about his discharge from the military and both Connally and the judge pissing him off.

Except Oswald zero'd that scope (at Sports Drome Rifle Range) after that attempt, and just before the assassination on JFK. You don't go to the world series to get on base. And it wasn't a judge, it was an anti-communist general Edwin Walker (he ran against Connally for governor of Texas but lost). Another interesting bit is RFK (JFK's brother) committed him to an insane asylum after leading protests at Ole Miss against integration.

[Nash B.]

Negative one Internets for a bad analogy.

[CJ]

Negative one Internets for a bad analogy.

Fuck you! That analogy was great!

[SS Junk]

No, I'm good.

'cause 10mm takes both?

[kingjason]

Except Oswald zero'd that scope (at Sports Drome Rifle Range) after that attempt, and just before the assassination on JFK. You don't go to the world series to get on base. And it wasn't a judge, it was an anti-communist general Edwin Walker (he ran against Connally for governor of Texas but lost). Another interesting bit is RFK (JFK's brother) committed him to an insane asylum after leading protests at Ole Miss against integration.

OK I am not a big history buff but I was in a class about three years ago or so and one of the last remaining SS guys on that detail was introduced as a guest speaker. The one that passed away last year I believe. He started this class off with "You guys can take this as a crazy old dying man rambling on loosing his mind or maybe as the truth". He also said he had never told this story in his life but at his age he figured he didn't have many years left and its not like the SS could do anything to him.

My history buff friends are pissed off I didn't get this on recording but we had no idea he was going to go into a whole spill on everything from the Jack Ruby nightclub incident to the assassination and days leading up to it. He even said they picked up a white thing in the street right after, and that they looked at each other like WTF, then just set it on a fence by them. The next day they realized there was a piece of skull missing and went back to find it and couldn't. Talked about Oswald picking up a piece to his rifle one day at a time at the post office right under their headquarters. Talked about kidnapping a professor from some university so they could interview his old lady. Man he went into some great detail and talked about it like it was yesterday. We went on break hoping he was coming back and he fucking disappeared. That was very disappointing. Talked about him and another agent the day prior to standing on the street and his buddy making him step into a doorway. His buddy advised him there was someone with a scope in the building behind them. They raided the office building that was supposed to be closed and sealed off and it was some lawyers kid screwing with his new rifle not thinking about the pres coming thru the next day. He said they scared the holy shit out of that kid and his friend. Went into great detail about the rifle being a hair off and that's why Kennedy got hit. Something about Connally or that Edwin guy wadded up a request Oswald made and threw it in the trash. I believe he said both of them did something to Oswald at some point. The guy spoke for over an hour an then he was gone. I really should have took notes it was absolutely bizarre the shit he told us about all that stuff and Jack Ruby etc. Someone that's done the research like you would have ate that shit up. I really enjoyed it a lot as he told a great story but I do not know enough about that event to sit here and argue the facts with you. If I would have only thought to record it.

[YALE]

spiel
Oswald didn't pick the rifle up piecemeal.