good price on accurate AK style rifle

[S_K]

This is a good price on what i would consider the best built and most accurate AK style rifle. The SIG Sauer 556R.

http://www.onesourcetactical.com/sig550basedrifles.aspx

[Moose242]

They aren't accurate, they aren't an AK variant, and they are comically bad firearms.

[S_K]

Stop repeating the Internet trash and actually pick one up and shoot it. It is head and shoulders better than any AK I have ever owned. Yes the Gen 1s were a POS, but SIG fixed the issues with the Gen 2.

I have over 3K rounds thru mine, mostly cheap stuff and it runs it as reliably as my AKs. It is far more accurate. I don't even hesitate to make 200yd shots with it.

You are correct. It is not an AK. It is a quality firearm.

[Moose242]

Stop repeating the Internet trash and actually pick one up and shoot it. It is head and shoulders better than any AK I have ever owned. Yes the Gen 1s were a POS, but SIG fixed the issues with the Gen 2.

I have over 3K rounds thru mine, mostly cheap stuff and it runs it as reliably as my AKs. It is far more accurate. I don't even hesitate to make 200yd shots with it.

You are correct. It is not an AK. It is a quality firearm.

I have one about 5 feet away from me. It is:

Heavy as fuck
Comically inaccurate; Seriously, fucking inaccurate with a wandering POI
Long stroke gas piston that isn't connected to the BCG
Optics are hard to mount because they will interfere with the charging handle being pulled back
Reciprocating charging handle
Not a real sig 550 series gun (made here with a shitty aluminum allow upper that really sucks)
Heavy as fuck
Not an AK variant


You can see where we discussed this rifle here:

http://www.dfwmustangs.net/forums/showthread.php?t=37518

[phaux]

Stop repeating the Internet trash and actually pick one up and shoot it. It is head and shoulders better than any AK I have ever owned. Yes the Gen 1s were a POS, but SIG fixed the issues with the Gen 2.

I have over 3K rounds thru mine, mostly cheap stuff and it runs it as reliably as my AKs. It is far more accurate. I don't even hesitate to make 200yd shots with it.

You are correct. It is not an AK. It is a quality firearm.

I was with him at the range when he took it out and it wouldn't hit shit. Alex is a pretty good shot so it wasn't him. Maybe he has a lemon, who knows.

[S_K]

Sorry you got a shitty rifle.
That link you posted compares the 556 against an AR. With that, I agree with you. If I wanted a 5.56 caliber rifle, I would choose an AR.

But lets compare apples to apples. IE. the SIG 556R (7.62x39) against an AK. You state that it is heavy. It is the exact same weight as my Arsenal AK (7 lbs no mag). Actually it is slightly heavier because it has EOtech mounted on it. (something I can't do with my AK). You state the charging handle gets in the way. I never had that problem. Reciprocating charging handle, Aluminum alloy - so what. It is still better than any AK.

My point is that by the time you build/buy a quality AK, and then try to get get an optic to mount on it firmly, you could have bought a SIG and had a better rifle.

[Probie]

Sorry you got a shitty rifle.
That link you posted compares the 556 against an AR. With that, I agree with you. If I wanted a 5.56 caliber rifle, I would choose an AR.

But lets compare apples to apples. IE. the SIG 556R (7.62x39) against an AK. You state that it is heavy. It is the exact same weight as my Arsenal AK (7 lbs no mag). Actually it is slightly heavier because it has EOtech mounted on it. (something I can't do with my AK). You state the charging handle gets in the way. I never had that problem. Reciprocating charging handle, Aluminum alloy - so what. It is still better than any AK.

My point is that by the time you build/buy a quality AK, and then try to get get an optic to mount on it firmly, you could have bought a SIG and had a better rifle.

Or for 1/3 of the price you can have an AK that runs no matter what.

[CJ]

Lets run that Sig against my ak-101.

[Moose242]

But lets compare apples to apples. IE. the SIG 556R (7.62x39) against an AK. You state that it is heavy. It is the exact same weight as my Arsenal AK (7 lbs no mag). Actually it is slightly heavier because it has EOtech mounted on it. (something I can't do with my AK). You state the charging handle gets in the way. I never had that problem. Reciprocating charging handle, Aluminum alloy - so what. It is still better than any AK.

My point is that by the time you build/buy a quality AK, and then try to get get an optic to mount on it firmly, you could have bought a SIG and had a better rifle.

Lets do:
The AK has cheap spare parts everywhere. The Sig does not.
You state that you can't mount an optic to an AK. This may rock your world, but you can!
Even a premium AK like an Arsenal is cheaper. My Arsenal SGL-21 was $805. That leaves you money for a scope mount, and optic if you want over the $1,200 sig abomination.
The high set reciprocating charging handle interferes with optics. I had an eotech on my 556 but took it off because it was a knucle slayer (unless you have small hands I guess).
Let's not forget that the 556R built a fucking terrible reputation for itself:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrObcZb_CCI[/ame]

http://militaryarms.blogspot.com/2011/03/what-has-happened-to-sig.html

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=467856

http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82932

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_45/405593_Sig_556R_Problems.html

But yes, everyone should buy the $1,200 sig and ignore the AK, not to mention the $500 VZ58 or $800 Mini 30.

[S_K]

OK we agree to disagree.

yes the Gen1 SIGs were definitely POS (as demonstrated by your links) and I have mounted optics on AKs. I personally like the TWS mount.
You must have bought your SGL-21 a while ago or got a smoking deal. Current prices are @ $1K.

[YALE]

There's a reason Sig has put its marketing efforts into AR15 variants, and bullshit tacticool .22's. Remember this about prices: A good price for an item isn't a good price if it's merely cheaper than it was before. Value is realized in an item's use, not its purchase. If it provides no use, it is of no value.

[YALE]

If you're dead set on spending a grand on a rifle that shoots 7.62x39, isn't two AK's, isn't three SKS's, isn't two of those little CZ bush rifles, isn't a very I'll-advised AR15, and is Teutonic in lineage, it occurs to me that a PTR-32 would be a much better choice. You're likely to hit what you aim at, and they're just flat out tough.

[soap]

I was with him at the range when he took it out and it wouldn't hit shit. Alex is a pretty good shot so it wasn't him. Maybe he has a lemon, who knows.

Still waiting for my Christmas bonus. So I can come see ya.

[ram57ta]

I like my "heavy-as-fuck" Norinco SKS just fine with its 2 Tapco 20rd mags and collapsible stock. I've put several hundred rounds of various 7.62x39 thru it from multiple manufacturers and it has not once failed to operate. I could buy 3 of mine for that one "AK-variant". I don't really care for all the tacti-COOL add-ons that some people want....I'm not planning to use this at 900 yards....I like iron sights...and I can probably hit what I am aiming at when its within reasonable distance. I wouldn't pay 1 grand for ANY AK variant.

[dsrtuckteezy]

what is a good semi auto rifle to start out with? i actually dont own any rifles besides a ruger 10/22. just pistols and shotguns

dont need anything fancy. something cheapish and fun