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    Obama admin executive order addresses trust "loophole"

    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ap-exclusive-obama-offers-new-gun-control-steps


    http://m.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obamas-new-executive-actions-gun-control-two-new-measures_751363.html


    Today, the Obama administration announced two new common-sense executive actions to keep the most dangerous firearms out of the wrong hands and ban almost all re-imports of military surplus firearms to private entities. These executive actions build on the 23 executive actions that the Vice President recommended as part of the comprehensive gun violence reduction plan and the President unveiled on January 16, 2013," reads the White House's announcement.
    Originally posted by lincolnboy
    After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.
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  • #2
    Man, don’t you know machine guns and trust loopholes are the reason we are where we are today....




    HEAVY, HEAVY overwhelming sarcasm alert....
    Last edited by Gtracer; 08-29-2013, 09:44 AM.
    Originally posted by Sean88gt
    You can take white off the list. White on anything is the best, including vehicles, women, and the Presidency.
    Originally posted by Baron Von Crowder
    You can not imagine how difficult it is to hold a half gallon of moo juice and polish the one-eyed gopher when your doin' seventy-five in an eighteen-wheeler.

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    • #3
      wait what? can he do that?

      They are just requiring back ground checks? Doesn't that happen anyway when someone picks up their firearm/suppressor from the FFL?
      "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"

      -- Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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      • #4
        Originally posted by FATHERFORD View Post
        wait what? can he do that?

        They are just requiring back ground checks? Doesn't that happen anyway when someone picks up their firearm/suppressor from the FFL?
        No, not for nfa items. You fill out a form 4473 for the dealers record, but on the back of the first page there is a statement that if the transfer is for an nfa item no further action including a background check is needed.

        Also I do not believe Obama can do this, because if he could immediately implement this rule by the stroke of a pen he would. That is why this is going to follow the traditional 90 day ATF review to see if this is a plausible action.

        In my opinion it is not. Transfers for class III items are going to be up to a year soon and if the examiners have to perform a background check on everyone affiliated with the trust, we may get our NFA items by the time they are reading our eulogies. Also, think about how ridiculous this rule would be if it was extended to corporations. Do you really expect all board members of major corps to submit fingerprints and photographs and fill out a form 4 for every transfer they make if they wanted to acquire a competitors gun/suppressor for testing or something?
        Originally posted by lincolnboy
        After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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        • #5
          He's been doing things he "can't do" for 5 years.

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          • #6
            Then why didn't he simply implement the change by executive order?
            Originally posted by lincolnboy
            After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DOHCTR View Post
              Then why didn't he simply implement the change by executive order?
              He probably would have, however his advisors have probably mentioned the lack of public support and the fact that with everything else he has to deflect, public support has dropped off a bit from back in January/February. He is just trying to gain back some of the voter confidence he has lost and I feel this is an attempt to win over the public perception that Syria is a good bet.

              But hey, that’s just my thoughts.
              Originally posted by Sean88gt
              You can take white off the list. White on anything is the best, including vehicles, women, and the Presidency.
              Originally posted by Baron Von Crowder
              You can not imagine how difficult it is to hold a half gallon of moo juice and polish the one-eyed gopher when your doin' seventy-five in an eighteen-wheeler.

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              • #8
                Lol, what the fuck?
                Originally posted by lincolnboy
                After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DOHCTR View Post
                  Lol, what the fuck?
                  ??? My post?


                  If so, not sure where the confusion is coming from as I am placing myself in his shoes to the best of my ability and my post is the result...

                  He is trying to play it like he is supposed too, trying to get some public support....?
                  Originally posted by Sean88gt
                  You can take white off the list. White on anything is the best, including vehicles, women, and the Presidency.
                  Originally posted by Baron Von Crowder
                  You can not imagine how difficult it is to hold a half gallon of moo juice and polish the one-eyed gopher when your doin' seventy-five in an eighteen-wheeler.

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                  • #10
                    Not surprising and was only a matter of time once the trust thing took off.

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                    • #11
                      I honestly have no problem with the background check to buy NFA stuff through a trust as I would be willing to do the background check for any firearm as long as it is reasonable. I would HOPE that they would CHANGE the system to be able to handle the new influx of back ground checks to streamline the system....but I am probably DREAMING. LOL!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by aggie97 View Post
                        I honestly have no problem with the background check to buy NFA stuff through a trust as I would be willing to do the background check for any firearm as long as it is reasonable. I would HOPE that they would CHANGE the system to be able to handle the new influx of back ground checks to streamline the system....but I am probably DREAMING. LOL!
                        100% agree
                        Originally posted by Sean88gt
                        You can take white off the list. White on anything is the best, including vehicles, women, and the Presidency.
                        Originally posted by Baron Von Crowder
                        You can not imagine how difficult it is to hold a half gallon of moo juice and polish the one-eyed gopher when your doin' seventy-five in an eighteen-wheeler.

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                        • #13
                          What you all are not catching it seems is that is not as much to do with a background check loophole as it is to applying CLEO sign off for trust. Some people in certain counties and cities can not get a CLEO sign off.

                          Also the question for me is if I send in my form 4 for a trust how will the finger print cards get completed for my 9 month old. They are opening up a whole new bag of worms with this proposed ruling.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Boomhauer View Post
                            What you all are not catching it seems is that is not as much to do with a background check loophole as it is to applying CLEO sign off for trust. Some people in certain counties and cities can not get a CLEO sign off.

                            Also the question for me is if I send in my form 4 for a trust how will the finger print cards get completed for my 9 month old. They are opening up a whole new bag of worms with this proposed ruling.
                            You would get denied because a 9 month old would not be able to acquire NFA items (must be 21 to buy from a dealer, 18 to make and register).
                            Originally posted by lincolnboy
                            After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DOHCTR View Post
                              You would get denied because a 9 month old would not be able to acquire NFA items (must be 21 to buy from a dealer, 18 to make and register).
                              A trust has no age restraints.

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