Do you think open carry will be passed in TX this session?

[Chili]

Friction only is not really a retention level. A level 1 holster is something with a thumb break or a Safariland ALS only holster.

I'm lazy, what's the wording on dual points of resistance?

What I posted was a direct quote / copy and paste:

"dual points of resistance"

No other clarification or definition. At least not in HB 700.

It does not say retention, but "resistance".

[Probie]

Friction only is not really a retention level. A level 1 holster is something with a thumb break or a Safariland ALS only holster.

I'm lazy, what's the wording on dual points of resistance?

If a holster is snug enough and you turn it upside down and the weapon stays, is the holster not retaining the weapon? Friction can be a level of retention.

[DallasSleeper]

"Printing" is not necessarily illegal if not intentional, and that it is not discernible as a handgun by a reasonable person. A "bulge" should not be considered a problem.

The way it was explained to me in my CHL class, You are required to "ATTEMPT" to conceal. If you print or your shirt rides up it is not necessarily illegal as long as you were trying to conceal your pistol.

[Chili]

The way it was explained to me in my CHL class, You are required to "ATTEMPT" to conceal. If you print or your shirt rides up it is not necessarily illegal as long as you were trying to conceal your pistol.

Yeah, same here.

[sc281]

The way it was explained to me in my CHL class, You are required to "ATTEMPT" to conceal. If you print or your shirt rides up it is not necessarily illegal as long as you were trying to conceal your pistol.

The problem with that is Officer's discretion. I don't want to lose my CHL because some officer thought I wasn't trying to conceal my weapon.

[John -- '02 HAWK]

didnt want want to reprint a wall of text

http://www.safariland.com/DutyGear/info/retention.aspx

http://www.safariland.com/DutyGear/info/retention/Retention%20Chart%20LEVELS-Results.pdf

Level I Retention holsters offer Moderate Retention
Level II Retention holsters offer Enhanced Retention
Level III Retention holsters offer Optimum Retention
Level IV Retention holsters offer Exceptional Retention
Level V Retention holsters offer Maximum Retention

Test 1 & 2
Pull from front - Pull out the front of the holster
Pull from side - Pull out toward the side of the holster
Pull from rear - Pull from the back of the holster

Test 3
Level II & III Testing – (Repeat test 1 & 2 in addition to below)
295 - Snap is open
6280 - Hood is pressed down
070 - Thumb-break snap is open and trigger guard snap is closed
6360/6365-ALS-Hood is open

Test 4
Level III, IV, & V - (Repeat test 1, 2 & 3 in addition to below)
070 - Thumb-break snap is closed and trigger guard snap is open
6360/6365-ALS-Hood is open

[Chili]

didnt want want to reprint a wall of text

Not to try and start an argument or anything, but one company's definition of the "levels" of retention mean dick as it relates to the law. That is just their opinion. From your link:

Safariland purchased the Rogers Holster Company in 1985. At the time of purchase, Safariland adopted a security rating system that had been developed by the Rogers Holster Company in 1975. This system was based on a series of simple tests that could be conducted in the field by the end user. At the time of purchase, the Rogers SS2 and SS3 holsters were the only holsters that could pass the described Level II and Level III tests. They became Safariland Models 295 and 070 and are still manufactured and sold to this day.

In fact, as I pointed out, the law does not even use the term retention, it uses resistance.

They should define "2 levels or resistance" in the law, otherwise there is room for a whole lot of interpretation.

[got crawlers]

A friend of mine was the store reaching to get something off the top shelf, exposing his Kimber, an off duty police officer stop him and asked to see his license and told him to try and be more careful.

[John -- '02 HAWK]

Not to try and start an argument or anything, but one company's definition of the "levels" of retention mean dick as it relates to the law. That is just their opinion. From your link:

In fact, as I pointed out, the law does not even use the term retention, it uses resistance.

They should define "2 levels or resistance" in the law, otherwise there is room for a whole lot of interpretation.

I was posting information, nothing more, nothing less.

What that information does is show what the precedence is for testing and what creates the the different levels in the eyes of some of those in the industry. In the first link i posted safariland says "Advancement in holster technology and no set standard for testing has in many ways confused the terminology used to describe security levels.... In order to clarify the Safariland tests and to make it easier to understand the levels of security when compared to present day designs, clearly defined terminology is required."

I suspect the politicians are trying to litigate that the carrier has a holster and that it has some sort of retention such as strap or locking system. So they could stop people from OCing with just a gun shoved behind a belt.

[pr1042]

If a holster is snug enough and you turn it upside down and the weapon stays, is the holster not retaining the weapon? Friction can be a level of retention.

A retention holster is rated on how well it stands up to someone grabbing your gun. Friction that can be adjusted by a screw is a passive form of retention but that doesn't mean a friction only holster is considered a level 1. Sure, you can turn your gun upside down but there is nothing that prevents someone from taking your gun other than your ninja skills or rape whistle.

Safariland standards are often used because they make the best retention holsters