Safe information

[8mpg]

I know Im not rich, but if you plan on putting $8k in guns + other valuables, a cheap POS safe is a waste. Hell a $500 safe to put my guns in is less than a single gun that I own. I think Id save longer and buy a quality one.

[ceyko]

I know Im not rich, but if you plan on putting $8k in guns + other valuables, a cheap POS safe is a waste. Hell a $500 safe to put my guns in is less than a single gun that I own. I think Id save longer and buy a quality one.

This is what I do not really understand. Why is it a waste?

As opposed to being vague the reason I think a lower end safe is better than nothing is mainly due to it stopping/deterring most idiots who are out there stealing from you.

From a fire rating point of view I only have close knowledge of one case. It was a high end, nice safe in a dude's garage. House burned down and it was unable to protect the guns very well. The company replaced the guns, but that's not helpful if you have anything sentimental. However, cheap safe or good safe - the guns are equally screwed.

DO NOT get me wrong. If I had the disposable income, I'd buy that (I think) German made safe that is really bad ass for my home. I just don't think that a lower end safe is a waste of money at all. It is easy to compromise and so forth, but there are little things to help with that (crowd the area, bolt it down...etc).

[YALE]

I know Im not rich, but if you plan on putting $8k in guns + other valuables, a cheap POS safe is a waste. Hell a $500 safe to put my guns in is less than a single gun that I own. I think Id save longer and buy a quality one.

Ordinarily, I would agree with you, but I need to meet insurance requirements, and if I can slow a thief down even a little bit, so much the better.

[Tyrone Biggums]

Watched the video last night. Very informative. A friend of mine has a huge Fort Knox. Now I know why he ponied up for it.

[FATHERFORD]

I have to ask, are we really doing this for theft prevention or fire?

I personally am mostly concerned about fire. If a thief really wants in your personal gun safe he is going to get in it no matter how much you spend.

[ceyko]

I have to ask, are we really doing this for theft prevention or fire?

I personally am mostly concerned about fire. If a thief really wants in your personal gun safe he is going to get in it no matter how much you spend.

Guessing each has their own reasoning. It's just that fire rating, there is no real industry standard either. So, it is what it is on their marketing terms.

heh, I've even thought about encasing mine in a couple layers of dry wall.

[Trick Pony]

I have a house alarm too so hopefully my safe would buy me enough time that thieves would leave before they can get at my guns. As opposed to just being able to grab them and run out I think it's a lot better than nothing. The one I got also weighs over 800 lbs empty, so it wouldn't be easy to carry it out of there either.
Obviously if you have a skilled burglar, they're going to get what they want regardless, but at the same time I don't see some professional burglar bothering to break into my modest house anyway.
For the average asshole or punk kid that's breaking in to steal things, I thing what I have would stop them.

[dee]

I've broken into an $8000 Fort Knox safe for the ATF a few years back.

[Ruffdaddy]

I've broken into an $8000 Fort Knox safe for the ATF a few years back.

How long did that take?

[dee]

10 minutes at the most. A torch and chipping hammer was all that was needed. That was going through the door.

[Trick Pony]

10 minutes at the most. A torch and chipping hammer was all that was needed. That was going through the door.

Well shit, I feel even better about my cheap safe now, lol.

[Tyrone Biggums]

10 minutes at the most. A torch and chipping hammer was all that was needed. That was going through the door.

Couldn't help myself.

[fordracing19]

Where can I buy something American made and in stock? Has to be able to fit through a 23" door.

[FATHERFORD]

10 minutes at the most. A torch and chipping hammer was all that was needed. That was going through the door.

Kind of my point.

A professional crook going after the safe will get in no matter what.

The average robber doing a quick smash and grab won't even look at any bolted down safe except maybe a complete POS.

My safe was 90 minutes at 1680 degrees, and that's all I really cared about.

[dee]

Main reason I have mine is fire protection as well, I figure if someone wants inside it bad enough they will find a way. Hopefully my neighbors should notice the odd behavior by then.