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  • #61
    Many moons ago a girl stepped onto the range with a H&K and everyone went ooh and aah over it. Well until she went to shoot it that is. Gun went back to the factory after it constantly wouldn't fire.

    My buddy swore up and down 1911s were the best gun ever produced. Then he bought a Kimber for his new duty weapon after carrying a Sig for years and the Kimber had a ton of issues and got sent back twice and then sold finally. He is now carrying a SIG.

    I have seen a bazillion rounds thru Sig 226's and not one issue other then one guy had the plastic guide rod and it broke. Went to metal and never another issue. Now we carry 220 Sigs and mine did not like the ten round mags I was using to qualify with. They would not feed with ten rounds and one in the chamber but no issues with 9. In the Sigs defense it is about 10 years old or more and has been very well used. We have new ones coming but the little gun scare has delayed them a bit.

    I pocket carried a Bersa 380 for years and not one issue even if it was not cleaned and right out of my pocket. Bought a new CC version and it was perfect until the last time I went to the range. Turns out the trigger return spring had slipped off its perch. Then my moms new one did not like certain types of ammo.

    Last time at the range I watched an officers Glock constantly have problems. This was the first time really I had heard of one being an issue. It was some kind of pin that was worn out in the side of it.

    My last department we went from Sigs to M&P .40s. Even though it was a learning curve I can honestly say I never saw the M&P have a issue. Of course they did not have near the rounds thru them.

    I have been hearing the new Keltecs were greatly improved and thought about picking one up again. Then the other day a guy we deal with all the time told me after 200 rounds his blew up the barrel.

    I am a big Sig fan but I can shoot fairly decent with a Glock and M&P. Hell my new pocket gun until my P290 comes in is a P250 in the .40 flavor. I put 200 rounds thru it the other day with no issue on my part. My buddy had the slide lock back on him once. Couldn't tell if his thumb was riding the slide or he limp wristed it but I was kind of surprised. Gun is very accurate though.

    So I guess what I am saying is that all guns can have issues. Choose what you like and learn to clear malfunctions.
    Last edited by kingjason; 01-27-2013, 09:25 PM.
    Whos your Daddy?

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    • #62
      Originally posted by dee View Post
      I'm not a fan either but they are a respectable as far as reliability goes. For me personally than fell weird and do not point naturally at all.
      That is obviously a subjective issue, depending on the hand size I think, but is the reason I sold my Glock 23 years ago. I never had any issues with function, and when I took my time to shoot, it was accurate, but I could not get a quick shot off accurately.

      I have had the XD40 4" since I sold the Glock and it fits my hand much better and I have been very happy with it.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Buzzo View Post
        did you not see the post about shooting competitions? You'll need to take accuracy out of that statement. HK last longer than Glocks? I dont think thats the case either but I guess thats debatable. Theres a guy on Glocktalk with over 500k rounds through his 17. Its now a range rental and still working great.
        I saw a guy with a Geo Metro on TV once as he hit a million miles or something absurd like that. Should we run out looking for Metros now?

        I have Glocks because they are cheap and easy to shoot. I have no problem accepting that say a HK P30 is a higher quality gun. You will not see them much in competitions because there are better choices for less money. A Glock trigger is also easier to shoot for most people than a DA/SA or LEM trigger. For my statement on mechanical accuracy, if you put a P30 vs my Glock 19 on a ransom rest and shooting at 25 yards, which gun do you think will be more accurate.

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        • #64
          Im really just a gun fan in general, i carry a taurus PT 24/7 pro .45 full frame. Before you hate on Taurus, its NEVER had a FTE/FTF, and is VERY ACCURATE. OVER 3000 rounds since 2008... cant say the same for my 1911. I love glocks, not pretty (although guns are not supposed to be a beauty contest), but reliable and MASS PRODUCED, so accessories are plentiful. I cant understand why some people hate glocks,but its all about personal preference. As long as you can put the lead through target, and you feel comfortable with it, it doesnt matter what you carry....Never met a glock owner that didnt love their glock....

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          • #65
            HKs? i would never own a gun that has the word cock (KOCh) in it

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            • #66
              Originally posted by pr1042 View Post
              I saw a guy with a Geo Metro on TV once as he hit a million miles or something absurd like that. Should we run out looking for Metros now?

              I have Glocks because they are cheap and easy to shoot. I have no problem accepting that say a HK P30 is a higher quality gun. You will not see them much in competitions because there are better choices for less money. A Glock trigger is also easier to shoot for most people than a DA/SA or LEM trigger. For my statement on mechanical accuracy, if you put a P30 vs my Glock 19 on a ransom rest and shooting at 25 yards, which gun do you think will be more accurate.
              why dont you post some of these "better choices for less money"? I'd bet there isnt one 1911 nationally ranked that the owner has less than 1000 worth of options. Thats a silly argument saying they dont use HK's because of their cost.

              Again I dont have a problem with HK's at all, I like them for what they are, just not worth the money. I picked up a usp .45 for 450.00 shot it, and traded it away for a 1911.
              Last edited by War Machine; 01-27-2013, 02:10 PM.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by nightfly2000 View Post
                Im really just a gun fan in general, i carry a taurus PT 24/7 pro .45 full frame. Before you hate on Taurus, its NEVER had a FTE/FTF, and is VERY ACCURATE. OVER 3000 rounds since 2008... cant say the same for my 1911. I love glocks, not pretty (although guns are not supposed to be a beauty contest), but reliable and MASS PRODUCED, so accessories are plentiful. I cant understand why some people hate glocks,but its all about personal preference. As long as you can put the lead through target, and you feel comfortable with it, it doesnt matter what you carry....Never met a glock owner that didnt love their glock....
                exactly

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Buzzo View Post
                  why dont you post some of these "better choices for less money"? I'd bet there isnt one 1911 nationally ranked that the owner has less than 1000 worth of options. Thats a silly argument saying they dont use HK's because of their cost.

                  Again I dont have a problem with HK's at all, I like them for what they are, just not worth the money. I picked up a usp .45 for 450.00 shot it, and traded it away for a 1911.
                  Considering that there are different divisions and federations that limit what you can modify on your gun, your bet would be a losing one.

                  I'll be shooting at a GSSF match on Wednesday at Shoot Smart. Please attend and you will not have to be exposed to any inferior weapons as only Glocks are allowed.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Buzzo View Post
                    lol the the HK team. Thats cute! You should post HIpoints shooting team too. Again, I said Glock dominates, not they have a team. As in they win more shooting competitions than any other factory handgun.
                    Citation Needed


                    Originally posted by Buzzo View Post
                    Soo, meaning they shoot better than HK. HK is heavier so more difficult to carry for most.
                    Citation Needed
                    But I bet you my Mark 23 vs a glock 21 strapped to a shooting vice would make a fool of the glock. But yeah, It is pretty damn big, cumbersome, and heavy. That is why I carry a P7 or my HK4 (both better carry choices that Glock model X Y and Z for a plethora of reasons)

                    Originally posted by Buzzo View Post
                    I mean seriously, what the hell is your argument? Why do Glock suck again?
                    They don't suck, its just so damn easy to get the glock fanboys panties in a wad. I mean look, I said glocks = junk and this thread exploded. They are pistols, nothing more, nothing less. Kind of like how a Camry is just a car thatll get you from A to B and run reliably, but its just a no frills object that doesn't go above and beyond it calling in anyway.


                    Originally posted by Buzzo View Post
                    I have no problem with Hk, I think theyre fine guns. They have a couple options that are nice. But to say HK is a better gun is a complete joke.
                    I do believe H&K pistols are finer guns. I would say the P7 is an absolute marvel of engineering.

                    Fuck it's 8:30 Monday morning and I haven't even had my coffee yet.
                    Originally posted by lincolnboy
                    After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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                    • #70
                      I really enjoy my Sig, if anyone cares.
                      ZOMBIE REAGAN FOR PRESIDENT 2016!!! heh

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Yale View Post
                        I really enjoy my Sig, if anyone cares.
                        Sig = Junk
                        Originally posted by lincolnboy
                        After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by DOHCTR View Post
                          Sig = Junk
                          Get back to masturbating kangaroo's.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by DOHCTR View Post
                            Sig = Junk
                            Hate all you want, dude. If open carry is legalized, I'm going to get that thing every drug cartel decoration I can.
                            ZOMBIE REAGAN FOR PRESIDENT 2016!!! heh

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Fatass View Post
                              Get back to masturbating kangaroo's.
                              Fun Fact: Male kangaroos just sit there and beat their meat all day. I aint kidding either. Went to a kangaroo petting zoo thing and all the ones out were female because they had to keep the males fenced off. And there they were, wackin it

                              I took a video but I was laughing so goddam hard that its all shaky and stuff.
                              Originally posted by lincolnboy
                              After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by DOHCTR View Post
                                Sig = Junk

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