Open Carry

[CJ]

Just curious. I've never seen any laws saying you can't conceal carry anything other than a pistol unless licensed.

It works the other way, The law says you can only conceal a handgun. CHL - concealed handgun license.

[CJ]

Again, is that sort of thing rampant in oklahoma, colorado, arizona, oregon, etc?

Im sure I would have heard about it from Wolf Blitzer by now.

Regardless it seems a more than evident scenario which concealed prevents entirely.

[David]

It works the other way, The law says you can only conceal a handgun. CHL - concealed handgun license.

So where does it say you can't? I never would. Just curious.

Texas has some of the most relaxed laws in terms of long guns.

[CJ]

So where does it say you can't? I never would. Just curious.

Texas has some of the most relaxed laws in terms of long guns.

I'm talking about concealed carry. It specifies that you can only conceal carry a handgun. If it isn't a handgun, you cannot conceal carry it. Now, an AR15 with a pistol buffer on a 4473 as a pistol IS legal to carry. But, if it is not a handgun, you can't.

[Baron Von Crowder]

I'm talking about concealed carry. It specifies that you can only conceal carry a handgun. If it isn't a handgun, you cannot conceal carry it. Now, an AR15 with a pistol buffer on a 4473 as a pistol IS legal to carry. But, if it is not a handgun, you can't.

I remember my instructor going over what could and couldnt be carried, and I thought clubs and knives were included in the CHL. No?

[CJ]

I remember my instructor going over what could and couldnt be carried, and I thought clubs and knives were included in the CHL. No?

No I don't believe so, it isn't a concealed carry weapon (CCW) it's a concealed handgun license. That's true in other states, but not in Texas to my understanding. You can carry knifes on you legally below a certain length, and I don't know about clubs. It would have to be illegal before a license to carry would even be relevant.

[talisman]

That makes sense, but most cashiers would have the gun under the register, at least I would expect it to be there.

There was a gent working at a convince store in Arizona open carrying when we drove through a couple years ago. Completely surprised the shit out of me even though I knew the law there; just had never seen it before. I agree with a lot of your points but still think it should be up to the person if they'd like to open carry.

[David]

I'm talking about concealed carry. It specifies that you can only conceal carry a handgun. If it isn't a handgun, you cannot conceal carry it. Now, an AR15 with a pistol buffer on a 4473 as a pistol IS legal to carry. But, if it is not a handgun, you can't.

I'm talking concealed also. In curious where you can't conceal an MP5 or a shorty AR or SBS.

Honestly, I'm not seeing anywhere that says you can't.

[CJ]

I'm talking concealed also. In curious where you can't conceal an MP5 or a shorty AR or SBS.

Honestly, I'm not seeing anywhere that says you can't.

I just said you can conceal carry a AR pistol, but the law says you can only conceal carry a HANDGUN.

Sec. 46.01. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter:
(3) "Firearm" means any device designed, made, or adapted to expel a
projectile through a barrel by using the energy generated by an
explosion or burning substance or any device readily convertible to
that use. ....
(5) "Handgun" means any firearm that is designed, made, or adapted to
be fired with one hand.
(10) "Short-barrel firearm" means a rifle with a barrel length of less
than 16 inches or a shotgun with a barrel length of less than 18
inches, or any weapon made from a shotgun or rifle if, as altered, it
has an overall length of less than 26 inches.

Sec. 46.05. PROHIBITED WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if
he intentionally or knowingly possesses, manufactures, transports, repairs, or sells:
(3) a short-barrel firearm;
(c) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that the actor's
possession was pursuant to registration pursuant to the National
Firearms Act, as amended.

Sec. 46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS.
DOES NOT APPLY...
doesn't include it as an unlawful CARRYING weapon= handgun, illegal knife, or club

Sec. 46.15. NONAPPLICABILITY.
(b) Section 46.02 does not apply to a person who:
(6) is carrying a concealed handgun and a valid license issued under

Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, to carry a concealed
handgun of the same category as the handgun the person is carrying;

Because SBR, SBS are not handguns as defined in the law above. They are defined as "Short-barrel firearm."

I'm pretty sure that's the law. I could be wrong, but the fact they specify the license to carry a "handgun" and then specify what a handgun is, and intentionally omit everything else by definition, it's seems pretty clear.

[David]

Don't see where it says you can't conceal carry long gun. I see laws for handguns and other items.

[sc281]

Regardless it seems a more than evident scenario which concealed prevents entirely.

Prevents entirely? In your scenario, the oc holder comes around a corner, and the bad guy, presumably already arned, gets the oc holders gun before getting his rob on. The same thing can happen with concealed, when he is trying to pull from a concealed place thereby slowing his reaction time and allowing that same robber who was quick enough to catch the oc holder off guard, to catch the cc holder off guard.

An evident scenario (we've all had a CH not come out as smoothly as we'd hope) than can be prevented entirely by just not carrying at all.
Can it happen? Yup. Does it happen enough to ban it? The left thinks so.



The left uses these same types of scenarios to try to get rid of concealed carry, and guns in general. Remember the big network college classroom scenario where they used that to protect the ban on cc in schools? It worked.

Would a Colombine have gone differently had people been armed and showing it? Would those kids have even tried it at all? Who knows, but we know how it went down without em.



Again, not wanting an e argument, just expressing my point of view in the hopes of civil discourse.

[CJ]

Don't see where it says you can't conceal carry long gun. I see laws for handguns and other items.

You seem to be missing the part where they say you can only conceal carry a handgun.

[CJ]

Prevents entirely? In your scenario, the oc holder comes around a corner, and the bad guy, presumably already arned, gets the oc holders gun before getting his rob on. The same thing can happen with concealed, when he is trying to pull from a concealed place thereby slowing his reaction time and allowing that same robber who was quick enough to catch the oc holder off guard, to catch the cc holder off guard.

An evident scenario (we've all had a CH not come out as smoothly as we'd hope) than can be prevented entirely by just not carrying at all.
Can it happen? Yup. Does it happen enough to ban it? The left thinks so.



The left uses these same types of scenarios to try to get rid of concealed carry, and guns in general. Remember the big network college classroom scenario where they used that to protect the ban on cc in schools? It worked.

Would a Colombine have gone differently had people been armed and showing it? Would those kids have even tried it at all? Who knows, but we know how it went down without em.



Again, not wanting an e argument, just expressing my point of view in the hopes of civil discourse.

I really, really think you're stretching here. Someone conceal carrying isn't going to be a threat to them. You choose when you draw, and most likely it's when he isn't focused on you. You only get advantages from this.

[David]

You seem to be missing the part where they say you can only conceal carry a handgun.

So where's the offense for carrying a long gun concealed? It's not broken down under the UCW section.

[CJ]

So where's the offense for carrying a long gun concealed? It's not broken down under the UCW section.

I see what you're saying. However, the law doesn't consider a long gun concealable, so you're under disturbing the peace/disorderly conduct.