Open Carry

[BlackSnake]

I open carry when im walking in the woods. Thats about it.

There is no reason to carry this way in public, except to draw attention to yourself.

Agreed

[CJ]

I just want the choice to carry the gun I want without being arrested if someone happens to see it. My p226 E2 is the gun I am most comfortable with, but is a pain in the ass to conceal and be 100% sure no one can see it in every situation. (sitting down, reaching up, etc)


Also, I think everyone should have the choice. Sure it my make them a target to a brave criminal, but so does looking like a bitch in a dark parking lot to a robber or a slut to a rapist. Those arent illegal.

I understand the sentiment, but consider this... Let's say you're open carrying, and you have some crazy bastard robbing a convenience store. The robber's most probable intention is to just get the money and run. He walks into a store, you come from around a corner open carrying and it initiates a confrontation that would otherwise not have happened. He aims at you, you go to pull your gun, someone gets killed and potentially others do as well. Also, you have to factor in now he's murdered someone else, this crazy son of a bitch might start shooting witnesses. So in my opinion open carrying is a liability for yourself, and others around you. Not only that, but it substantially decreases the chances that you will be able to fend off a shooter because you're giving him the element of surprise. You're the first guy that gets shot in any situation, and you're unable to help anyone else. I'm not saying I am staunchly against open carry, I just find it to be reckless and potentially dangerous to the public. I find very little benefits besides what I already mentioned.

[Cobraman]

I agree with what most people are saying. I wouldn't open carry, it would just be nice to not worry about printing or flashing. It would make me feel a little better about wearing an owb holster with a button up over it.

do you even own a button up? Lol

[David]

I don't think you can legally carry an AOW.

Why?

[Vertnut]

Until he pull his weapon and his slower reflexes and aim are taken over by a youthful criminal out to do harm.

That scenario is not near as concerning to me as a guy hitting him in the head from behind and easily removing his weapon.

[mikec]

Cops open carry every day, yet they never get jumped. Why would another person, open carrying, get jumped? Because the cop is perceived to have more power, and the citizen wouldn't be? I would think that the odds wouldn't be that different in the two scenarios.

Thoughts?

[Vertnut]

Cops open carry every day, yet they never get jumped. Why would another person, open carrying, get jumped? Because the cop is perceived to have more power, and the citizen wouldn't be? I would think that the odds wouldn't be that different in the two scenarios.

Thoughts?

I'm not saying it would be rampant, but possible. If it happens only once, imagine the shit-storm the press would reign down on "open carry". I think police officers are a lot more cognizant of what's going on around them. I've even noticed how they tend to turn slightly (maybe just reactionary).

[sc281]

I understand the sentiment, but consider this... if you're open carrying, and you have some crazy bastard robbing a convenience store. Let's say his most probable intention is to just get the money and run. He walks into a store, you come from around a corner open carrying and it initiates a confrontation that would otherwise not have happened. He aims at you, you go to pull your gun, someone gets killed and potentially others do as well. Also, you have to factor in now he's murdered someone else, this crazy son of a bitch might start shooting witnesses. So in my opinion open carrying is a liability for yourself, and others around you. Not only that, but it substantially decreases the chances that you will be able to fend off a shooter because you're giving him the element of surprise. You're the first guy that gets shot in any situation, and you're unable to help anyone else.

I understand where youre coming from, but almost the same argument gats made about cc by the left.

Puts hid dem hat on.

The criminal jyst wants the,money, but you pull on him, someone gets shot either you, the robber, or a bystander. The criminal knows hes got attempted murder added to his list and doesnt give a fuck anymore. All because someone with a handgun wanted to be a hero.



There are risks associated with oc, sure. Personally, I would be carrying owb, but under the shirt, visible when sit and reach but not overtly. Is there a risk that i might get plugged first in a takeover robbery or other brazen act? Yup. But so would the security guard, or cop who happened to stop in for a cup of coffe mid shift. Yet there is a reason those oeople are around and welcomed in esrablishments.. It makes the criminal think twice about what he about to do, in many cases moreso than just cc.

Criminals play the odds that no one is cc'ing whenever they commit a crime. In Texas, granted, those odds are shorter because a lot of us cc, but we are still a fraction of the population. So a criminal rolls the dice hoping no one us holding. Now when a criminal is getting ready to rob a place and sees an armed security guard or cop in the building, he goes somewhere else. Why? Because that 95% chance that someone may not be armed just turned into a 100% chance that someone is. The robbery or whatever crime was stopped even before it happened because they KNEW it wasnt going to be easy money.

Now lets say we allowed oc. We now have people that are an overt deterrant to crime with oc in addition to covert with cc.

Now as far as the tacticool yahoos, that comes with the territory, but we have that now with manyy cc holders and it hasnt been disaster, and it hasnt been a disaater except for some stupid youtube videos in other states either. If it was, you could bet that msnbc would have been all over it by now.

It works in a bunch of states now, so why not Texas?

Now this is just my opinion, so take it however you want. Just the way I see it.

[CJ]

Why?

The same reason you can't conceal carry a machinegun.

[sc281]

That scenario is not near as concerning to me as a guy hitting him in the head from behind and easily removing his weapon.

If that is concerning, then all tge doughy rent a cops being armed should be terrifying. People can get the better of them and take their weapons too, but they dont (at least not in epidemic proportions.)

[CJ]

I understand where youre coming from, but almost the same argument gats made about cc by the left.

Puts hid dem hat on.

The criminal jyst wants the,money, but you pull on him, someone gets shot either you, the robber, or a bystander. The criminal knows hes got attempted murder added to his list and doesnt give a fuck anymore. All because someone with a handgun wanted to be a hero.



There are risks associated with oc, sure. Personally, I would be carrying owb, but under the shirt, visible when sit and reach but not overtly. Is there a risk that i might get plugged first in a takeover robbery or other brazen act? Yup. But so would the security guard, or cop who happened to stop in for a cup of coffe mid shift. Yet there is a reason those oeople are around and welcomed in esrablishments.. It makes the criminal think twice about what he about to do, in many cases moreso than just cc.

Criminals play the odds that no one is cc'ing whenever they commit a crime. In Texas, granted, those odds are shorter because a lot of us cc, but we are still a fraction of the population. So a criminal rolls the dice hoping no one us holding. Now when a criminal is getting ready to rob a place and sees an armed security guard or cop in the building, he goes somewhere else. Why? Because that 95% chance that someone may not be armed just turned into a 100% chance that someone is. The robbery or whatever crime was stopped even before it happened because they KNEW it wasnt going to be easy money.

Now lets say we allowed oc. We now have people that are an overt deterrant to crime with oc in addition to covert with cc.

Now as far as the tacticool yahoos, that comes with the territory, but we have that now with manyy cc holders and it hasnt been disaster, and it hasnt been a disaater except for some stupid youtube videos in other states either. If it was, you could bet that msnbc would have been all over it by now.

It works in a bunch of states now, so why not Texas?

Now this is just my opinion, so take it however you want. Just the way I see it.

Well by that measure there's also a 100% chance they don't have to worry about it because they can shoot you at their leisure. And they don't have to shoot you, they just have to take your gun. So you could have someone walk into that same store with no gun, then see a gun. Walk over, take it, shoot you, rob the store and do more damage than they could have initially. Just throwing that out there. I see what you're saying about the deterrent, which is valid, but is it worth the other risks?

[David]

The same reason you can't conceal carry a machinegun.

And that is?

[CJ]

And that is?

Because it says pistol, not weapon. An AOW is not a pistol by legal definition.

[David]

Because it says pistol, not weapon.

Just curious. I've never seen any laws saying you can't conceal carry anything other than a pistol unless licensed.

[sc281]

Well by that measure there's also a 100% chance they don't have to worry about it because they can shoot you at their leisure. And they don't have to shoot you, they just have to take your gun. So you could have someone walk into that same store with no gun, then see a gun. Walk over, take it, shoot you, rob the store and do more damage than they could have initially. Just throwing that out there. I see what you're saying about the deterrent, which is valid, but is it worth the other risks?

Again, is that sort of thing rampant in oklahoma, colorado, arizona, oregon, etc?

Im sure I would have heard about it from Wolf Blitzer by now.


Im willing to accept those risks in light of the benefits. Many States are as well. I just hope Texas joins them.