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    NFA Forms changes - Proposal Summary

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    http://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eAgendaViewRule?pubId=201210&RIN=1140-AA43


    Title: Background Checks for Principal Officers of Corporations, Trusts, and Other Legal Entities With Respect to the Making or Transferring of a National Firearms Act Firearm
    Abstract: The Department of Justice is proposing to amend the regulations of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) regarding the making or transferring of a firearm under the National Firearms Act. The proposed regulations would (1) add a definition for the term "responsible person"; (2) require each responsible person of a corporation, trust or legal entity to complete a specified form, and to submit photographs and fingerprints; (3) require that a copy of all applications to make or transfer a firearm be forwarded to the chief law enforcement officer (CLEO) of the locality in which the maker or transferee is located; and (4) eliminate the requirement for a certification signed by the CLEO.
    Agency: Department of Justice(DOJ) Priority: Other Significant
    RIN Status: Previously published in the Unified Agenda Agenda Stage of Rulemaking: Proposed Rule Stage
    Major: No Unfunded Mandates: No
    CFR Citation: 27 CFR 479
    Legal Authority: 26 USC 7805
    Legal Deadline: None
    Timetable:
    Action Date FR Cite
    NPRM 07/00/2013
    Regulatory Flexibility Analysis Required: No Government Levels Affected: None
    Small Entities Affected: No Federalism: No
    Included in the Regulatory Plan: No
    Initial (Administrative Startup and /or Capital) Cost: $0 Yearly (Annual Operating) Cost: $0
    Base Year of the Dollar Estimates: RIN Data Printed in the FR: No
    Agency Contact:
    Brenda R. Friend
    Regulations Writer
    Department of Justice
    Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives
    99 New York Avenue NE.,
    Washington, DC 20226
    Phone:202 648-8408
    No CLE Signature requirement for individual transfers

    EVERYONE on a trust (grantors) submits photos and fingerprints

    CLEO gets a copy of your form
    Last edited by Dacotua; 01-09-2013, 08:18 AM.
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  • #2
    Time for me to get those Form 1s off then.
    Fuck you. We're going to Costco.

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    • #3
      So this starts in july?
      "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"

      -- Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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      • #4
        Originally posted by kbscobravert View Post
        Time for me to get those Form 1s off then.
        Same for my form 4.
        Originally posted by Jester
        Every time you see the fucking guy....show him your fucking dick.. Just whip out your hawg and wiggle it in his direction, put it away, call him a fuckin meatgazer, shoot him the bird and go inside.
        He will spend the rest of the day wondering if he is gay.
        Originally posted by Denny
        What the fuck ever, you fucking fragile faggot.
        FORGTN SOLD1ER - xbox gamer

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        • #5
          Need to get my Trust notarized today and get mine out as well...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Roscoe View Post
            Need to get my Trust notarized today and get mine out as well...
            If you don't have a notary, you can go to most grocery stores for one.
            Originally posted by Jester
            Every time you see the fucking guy....show him your fucking dick.. Just whip out your hawg and wiggle it in his direction, put it away, call him a fuckin meatgazer, shoot him the bird and go inside.
            He will spend the rest of the day wondering if he is gay.
            Originally posted by Denny
            What the fuck ever, you fucking fragile faggot.
            FORGTN SOLD1ER - xbox gamer

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            • #7
              Originally posted by motoman View Post
              If you don't have a notary, you can go to most grocery stores for one.
              UPS store around the corner

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              • #8
                Well that is horse shit.

                Time to start using an LLC then.
                Originally posted by lincolnboy
                After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DOHCTR View Post
                  Well that is horse shit.

                  Time to start using an LLC then.
                  How will that make things different?
                  Originally posted by Jester
                  Every time you see the fucking guy....show him your fucking dick.. Just whip out your hawg and wiggle it in his direction, put it away, call him a fuckin meatgazer, shoot him the bird and go inside.
                  He will spend the rest of the day wondering if he is gay.
                  Originally posted by Denny
                  What the fuck ever, you fucking fragile faggot.
                  FORGTN SOLD1ER - xbox gamer

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DOHCTR View Post
                    Well that is horse shit.

                    Time to start using an LLC then.
                    LLC and Corps - Officers/Owner must submit fingerprints and photos. File approved form with CLEO

                    Basically if they adopt this, you must send photos and fingerprints no matter if its individual, trust, LLC, Corp

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Dacotua View Post
                      LLC and Corps - Officers/Owner must submit fingerprints and photos. File approved form with CLEO

                      Basically if they adopt this, you must send photos and fingerprints no matter if its individual, trust, LLC, Corp
                      If I form a shell corp and am listed as the only officer/responsible person then I would be the only one who would have to send forms. Anyone employed by said shell corp or listed as not being an officer or responsible person would be able to use, possess, and store any NFA items that may be held by the entity.
                      Originally posted by lincolnboy
                      After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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                      • #12
                        So this is only for new submitted forms, if you don't submit another form I assume you remain without fingerprints.
                        "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
                        "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by CJ View Post
                          So this is only for new submitted forms, if you don't submit another form I assume you remain without fingerprints.
                          I would think so.

                          My guess is that this is in anticipation of Feinstein’s bill, which if passed will force you to register your “assault weapons” as NFA items that you cannot pass down (like in California, when the owner dies you have to hand the gun over to the State).
                          Originally posted by lincolnboy
                          After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DOHCTR View Post
                            I would think so.

                            My guess is that this is in anticipation of Feinstein’s bill, which if passed will force you to register your “assault weapons” as NFA items that you cannot pass down (like in California, when the owner dies you have to hand the gun over to the State).
                            This


                            Though, you would never be able to purchase an NFA item again unless you want them to tie your file to a set of finger prints and photos
                            Originally posted by Sean88gt
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                            Originally posted by Baron Von Crowder
                            You can not imagine how difficult it is to hold a half gallon of moo juice and polish the one-eyed gopher when your doin' seventy-five in an eighteen-wheeler.

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                            • #15
                              So this essentially makes the trust I just bought useless come July. Either way I still have to get fingerprinted, just no CLEO signature and they still have to run my background check which will extend it two months.

                              The whole purpose of going the trust route was to avoid fingerprints and get a 2 month advantage...yay

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