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[CJ]

#1 = Yes

#2 = No

Don't have anything against them really...just don't feel the need to. I get my kicks with my other toys (cars, tech, investments, etc).

I'm not a paranoid person...if someone wants a gun to protect their family I have no issues with that. I just don't understand any valid point to having an arsenal of highly destructive weapons that can easily be turned on others if someone's "had a bad day" (I'm being simplistic here). Killing of others can never be stopped in free society (that would mean too much top down control would be in place which is bad) as anything can be used as a weapon but some weapons make it easier to inflict mass damage in minimal time and lengthen neutralization time (even if there are other armed people around because of cross-fire, panic, human nature, etc...unless someone was specifically trained like a LEO or military person).

Seems like you just don't know guns very well. How about you come to the get together in a few weeks?

[92redragtop]

There you go ladies and gents, he wants to live in his fantasy land, not solving any problems. Good luck with that.

I'm just saying...there was a "mass attack" with a knife the same day as the Newtown tragedy and all victims in that attack survived. I'm sure the parents/families of the Newtown victims would have preferred to have their loved ones home with them for Christmas notwithstanding recovering from the mental/physical trauma of surviving a knife attack. I also understand that an attack with a knife is psychologically more difficult that a gun attack due to the very "personal" nature of a stabbing (ie. proximity needed, looking someone in the eye while the stabbing is committed versus the more detached psychological aspect of shooting someone). Obviously in this particular case some of the victims were shot at close range while others not so close (which was more common with Aurora, Columbine, Virgina Tech, etc). At least the potential massacre in AZ was thwarted in the past couple days.

[CJ]

I'm just saying...there was a "mass attack" with a knife the same day as the Newtown tragedy and all victims in that attack survived. I'm sure the parents/families of the Newtown victims would have preferred to have their loved ones home with them for Christmas notwithstanding recovering from the mental/physical trauma of surviving a knife attack. I also understand that an attack with a knife is psychologically more difficult that a gun attack due to the very "personal" nature of a stabbing (ie. proximity needed, looking someone in the eye while the stabbing is committed versus the more detached psychological aspect of shooting someone). Obviously in this particular case some of the victims were shot at close range while others not so close (which was more common with Aurora, Columbine, Virgina Tech, etc). At least the potential massacre in AZ was thwarted in the past couple days.

Irrelevant, you're talking about a gunless utopia that will never happen, this isn't fantasy land.

[Nash B.]

Having guns for self defense is an indication of paranoia, but you're in favor of banning guns because you acknowledge that there are bad people intent on hurting others. Interesting.

[92redragtop]

Ok, lets say 5-10 children would have been knifed to death instead. What number is acceptable to you? A determined psychopath will find a way. He could have hijacked a semi and drove it right through the building.

I believe at least 20 children were knifed the same day as the Newtown tragedy and all survived (probably back home by now).

[92redragtop]

Having guns for self defense is an indication of paranoia, but you're in favor of banning guns because you acknowledge that there are bad people intent on hurting others. Interesting.

I'm not saying all guns should be banned - I don't think that would be legal anyway. What was available to citizens back when the Constitution was written is very different from what is available today.

[92redragtop]

Irrelevant, you're talking about a gunless utopia that will never happen, this isn't fantasy land.

Not saying a gunless society is needed/requested.

[Shorty]

What was available to citizens back when the Constitution was written is very different from what is available today.

So?

[propellerhead]

So much for freedom when children have to be locked up under armed guards at school (like at prison).

That's a very weak analogy. There's a big difference between guarding someone from escaping and protecting someone from an attacker. Should we remove the guards at the US Embassies all over the world? In your view, they are also locked up and have their freedom taken away. Fucking pathetic distorted view...

[mikec]

So?

He is saying that the intent should be transferred laterally. Which, it is not. The government has full auto, we have semi auto with whoppingly huge 30 round mags.

It is unbalanced, and we aren't bitching about that. We just want to keep what we have. That is not a bad thing.

Mentally ill people will still use any means available to accomplish their wants. The other 99.9999999% of us that abide by the law should not be forced to give up one tiny little facet of the freedoms afforded us by the hundreds of thousands that shed their blood for the .00000001% that act like fucking idiots.

[GAP]

My wifes school (an Arlington ISD JRHS) has a full time cop on campus. Seems like a great idea for all schools to me.

[CJ]

I'm not saying all guns should be banned - I don't think that would be legal anyway. What was available to citizens back when the Constitution was written is very different from what is available today.

What don't your understand about "shall not be infringed?". How about you stay open minded and let me introduce you to some of these evil weapons?

[92redragtop]

That's a very weak analogy. There's a big difference between guarding someone from escaping and protecting someone from an attacker. Should we remove the guards at the US Embassies all over the world? In your view, they are also locked up and have their freedom taken away. Fucking pathetic distorted view...

Well I consider children going to school in the US (should be carefree) to be a very different scenario from people working in an embassy in Pakistan or Libya.

[Baron Von Crowder]

I'm just saying...there was a "mass attack" with a knife the same day as the Newtown tragedy and all victims in that attack survived. I'm sure the parents/families of the Newtown victims would have preferred to have their loved ones home with them for Christmas notwithstanding recovering from the mental/physical trauma of surviving a knife attack. I also understand that an attack with a knife is psychologically more difficult that a gun attack due to the very "personal" nature of a stabbing (ie. proximity needed, looking someone in the eye while the stabbing is committed versus the more detached psychological aspect of shooting someone). Obviously in this particular case some of the victims were shot at close range while others not so close (which was more common with Aurora, Columbine, Virgina Tech, etc). At least the potential massacre in AZ was thwarted in the past couple days.

It was also in China. The government controls the news and details of what they print. You don't know if any of the victims died or went home either way.

[mikec]

It was also in China. The government controls the news and details of what they print. You don't know if any of the victims died or went home either way.

As our government controls our media. Early reports stated the rifle was in the trunk.

Now we have this debate after the obviously biased ME stated all wounds were caused by multiple rounds from the weapon that was found in the trunk.