Is this sign "legal"?

[Venix]

It has to be "displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public." But that's pretty vague. And hospitals DO have to post the signage. Look at what 8mpg posted earlier.

30.06:

Yes and no.

They only need to put it at main entrances; however, the state will side with them if you took them to court. Without written permission in a hospital would get you in trouble should the hospital or state prosecute.

[ram57ta]

I'm really confused about the hospital thing currently. Just over a year ago I visited a friend at Methodist Central on Colorado and there were 30.06 signs posted on EVERY entrance that I saw making it VERY obvious that guns were not allowed. 2 months ago my grandmother had a mild stroke and when I went back to Methodist Central....ALL of the 30.06 signs were gone....and I went out of my way to look for them. I couldn't find even ONE after checking multiple entrances. Did they change their policy or what?

[Nash B.]

Yes and no.

They only need to put it at main entrances; however, the state will side with them if you took them to court. Without written permission in a hospital would get you in trouble should the hospital or state prosecute.

There's no "yes and no." It's clearly stated that Subsection (b)(4) does not apply if you're not given effective notice. Sign posted? Effective notice. No sign posted? No effective notice.

[Venix]

There's no "yes and no." It's clearly stated that Subsection (b)(4) does not apply if you're not given effective notice. Sign posted? Effective notice. No sign posted? No effective notice.

Hospitals are on the list of places where a CHL holder is not allowed to carry just like a school or government building. So you can take the risk if you would like, but you will not win that fight in court. That is how the state interprets it.

This blue text is pulled directly from my power-point. And my slides came directly from the CHL department in Austin.

Essentially I see it this way: You can risk it and pay for attorney's fees, or just leave your gun in your car. Whether you are in the right or in the wrong, it still is not free.

***This section makes it unlawful for a license holder to carry a handgun in the following situations.

The license holder carries in the following places:
*On the premises of a business that derives 51% or more of its income from the sale or service of alcoholic beverages for on-premise consumption.
*On the premise where a high school, collegiate or professional sporting or interscholastic event is taking place (unless the holder is a participating in an event in which a handgun is used)
*On the premises of a correctional facility
*On the premises of a hospital or nursing home (unless the licensee has written permission from the administration)
*In an amusement park
*On the premises of a church, synagogue or other place of worship.

[Nash B.]

Hospitals are on the list of places where a CHL holder is not allowed to carry just like a school or government building. So you can take the risk if you would like, but you will not win that fight in court. That is how the state interprets it.

I completely disagree. I'll win the fight in court because it says that the hospital, amusement park, and church sections don't apply if you aren't given effective notice. That's how the law is written.

This blue text is pulled directly from my power-point. And my slides came directly from the CHL department in Austin.

Essentially I see it this way: You can risk it and pay for attorney's fees, or just leave your gun in your car. Whether you are in the right or in the wrong, it still is not free.

***This section makes it unlawful for a license holder to carry a handgun in the following situations.

The license holder carries in the following places:
*On the premises of a business that derives 51% or more of its income from the sale or service of alcoholic beverages for on-premise consumption.
*On the premise where a high school, collegiate or professional sporting or interscholastic event is taking place (unless the holder is a participating in an event in which a handgun is used)
*On the premises of a correctional facility
*On the premises of a hospital or nursing home (unless the licensee has written permission from the administration)
*In an amusement park
*On the premises of a church, synagogue or other place of worship.

And that was pulled straight from Section 46.035 of the Penal Code, but they left out the subsection about the last 3 not applying if there isn't effective notice.

[Chas_svo]

The only way you are breaking a law is if they notice your carry and then they can ask you to leave; at which time you would. If you don't leave you are now trespassing.

Sign is not sufficient to prevent you from continuing to carry in accordance with your CHL.

Unless they really changed the CHL dramatically, you would be screwed if they notice your carry. In our class, that is no longer concealed.

My class was long ago -'96, and mine is not current.

[John -- '02 HAWK]

Unless they really changed the CHL dramatically, you would be screwed if they notice your carry. In our class, that is no longer concealed.

My class was long ago -'96, and mine is not current.

shit has changed since then

[ceyko]

Mine was just a couple of years ago and the same concepts applied. What has changed?

[Nash B.]

This is the only thing I see about not concealing it.

Sec. 46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE HOLDER. (a) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder carries a handgun on or about the license holder's person under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, and intentionally fails to conceal the handgun.

[Chas_svo]

Interesting. That was always my fear carrying, as I was/am a scrawny bastard.

Venix or anybody else that teaches a CHL class?

[Venix]

Interesting. That was always my fear carrying, as I was/am a scrawny bastard.

Venix or anybody else that teaches a CHL class?

"and intentionally fails to conceal the handgun. "

This is the key part of that law. It must be proven to be intentional to get in trouble.