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    Even the most diehard American gun nut will be hard pressed to have heard of the Turkish gun manufacturer "Sarsilmaz." They are, however, the third largest firearms factory in Europe and have been making guns since the 1880s. Sarsilmaz makes over 40 different firearms, pistols, revolvers, and shotguns, and they are the makers of the Armalite AR24, which is a CZ75 clone. The Turkish military is the second largest military in NATO and it is supplied by Sarsilmaz exclusively for duty pistols. So why haven't we heard of Sarsilmaz? Who knows. But the guns are recognized worldwide for their quality and durability, and it looks like they are finally going to come into the US market in a big way. The European American Armory, or EAA, is introducing some of the Sarsilmax guns this year under the name SAR Arms. We got to take a look at the 9mm ST10 that carries a street price around $500 for the all black one. I have never owned an HK USP, which this gun is nearly an exact copy of, and I thought it felt like a cross between a CZ75 and a Sig 226. Sarsilmaz has several international patents themselves for firearm design, but this gun is clearly a side by side copy of the HK USP. Since this is a very expensive firearm, the Sarsilmaz copy coming in around $500 is probably a good buy if you love the USP. We can't compare it directly because we have no test HK gun, but overall the ST10 is a great gun, and could owe some of its biggest positives to HK engineers, who made the USP similar to a Browning Hi-Power action, which this gun is also a decendant of now. The most interesting note about this gun is that it has no decocker. You have to let down the hammer with your thumb if you want to fire it double action first shot. This is an option on the USP (#9) but not common, making this Sarlsilmaz and interesting and high quality gun at a reasonable price. The European American Armory, or EAA, is introducing some of the Sarsilmax guns this year under the name SAR Arms. We got to take a look at the 9mm ST10 that carries a street price around $500 for the all black one. The gun feels like a cross between a CZ75 and a Sig 226, though it doesn’t appear that Sarsilmaz copied any particular gun for the design. They have several international patents themselves for firearm design, so they don’t need to just copy guns. We offer the comparison just to give you an idea of how the gun feels.




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    Even the most diehard American gun nut will be hard pressed to have heard of the Turkish gun manufacturer “Sarsilmaz.” They are, however, the third largest firearms factory in Europe and have been making guns since the 1880s. Sarsilmaz makes over 40 different firearms, pistols, revolvers, and shotguns, and they are the makers of the Armalite AR24, which is a CZ75 clone. The Turkish military is the second largest military in NATO and it is supplied by Sarsilmaz exclusively for duty pistols. So why haven’t we heard of Sarsilmaz? Who knows. But the guns are recognized worldwide for their quality and durability, and it looks like they are finally going to come into the US market in a big way.

    The European American Armory, or EAA, is introducing some of the Sarsilmax guns this year under the name SAR Arms. We got to take a look at the 9mm ST10 that carries a street price around $500 for the all black one. I have never owned an HK USP, which this gun is nearly an exact copy of, and I thought it felt like a cross between a CZ75 and a Sig 226. Sarsilmaz has several international patents themselves for firearm design, but this gun is clearly a side by side copy of the HK USP. Since this is a very expensive firearm, the Sarsilmaz copy coming in around $500 is probably a good buy if you love the USP. We can’t compare it directly because we have no test HK gun, but overall the ST10 is a great gun, and could owe some of its biggest positives to HK engineers, who made the USP similar to a Browning Hi-Power action, which this gun is also a decendant of now. The most interesting note about this gun is that it has no decocker. You have to let down the hammer with your thumb if you want to fire it double action first shot. This is an option on the USP (#9) but not common, making this Sarlsilmaz and interesting and high quality gun at a reasonable price.

    The Sarlsilmaz ST10 is a fairly standard double action/single action hammer fired design, and worked really with no malfunctions at all in our tests of just over 200 rounds. As a firearms reviewer it is difficult to tell anyone to buy a gun from a “new” gun company, so the fact that Sarsilmaz isn’t really a new company explains the gun better than anything else. The Turkish gun factories are known for high quality stuff, and also for supplying spare parts and handling customer service well. Sarsilmaz itself has a stellar reputation worldwide, so it really just comes down to whether the gun is right for you, and if perhaps you have wanted an HK USP, but couldn’t make the pricetag.

    The features on the ST10 are what you would expect on a high quality semi-auto pistol. It has serviceable no-snag three dot sights. A front rail is molded into the alloy frame. Again, it does not have a decocker. The lever you see is an off/on safety. You have to manually decock the ST10 by letting down the hammer with your thumb if you want it to fire the first shot double action. The gun field strips by holding the action open for removal of the takedown pin. The barrel is stainless steel and the magazine holds 15 rounds. A nice feature with our test gun was that it came with a nice nylon belt holster and double mag pouch, as well as an extra magazine. They appear to be looking across the continent for some tips from Croatia. It is nice to get stuff you need with the gun, with the gun.

    Where the SAR Arms ST10 really shined was at the range. At ten yards it grouped consistently into well under 2 inches, and that was over 15 shots in one magazine. Most rounds were into an inch. The gun is a little crude for the US market in design, because of no decocker, but the accuracy is among the best we have tested in a handgun to date, and this was shot without a Ransom Rest or anything other than a sandbag. Could it be a fluke on this particular gun? Who knows, but it could just as easily be the beginning of a Turkish invasion into the firearms market with really good accurate guns.

    We didn’t get a lot of details on the SAR ST10 as to what other calibers it will come in. They are just coming into the market now and the aren’t even listed on the EAA website yet. That other Sarsilmaz from EAA, the K2, comes in 9mm, .40S&W and .45ACP, so this ST10 may as well. EAA is known for finding high quality guns and bringing them into the US at affordable and fair prices, and these new Turkish guns look to be the next big thing for EAA. We didn’t have any failures with the ST10 at all and it feels and shoots good. Very few have been listed on GunsAmerica so far, but you can ask your local dealer for one if you are interested. Davidson’s and a few other distributors have them in stock and ready to ship out.
    Last edited by IHaveAMustang; 09-24-2012, 09:02 AM.

  • #2
    Why was this thread originally titled "Nobody show this to David"?


    Also, I really don't give a fuck.
    Originally posted by lincolnboy
    After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by DOHCTR View Post
      Why was this thread originally titled "Nobody show this to David"?


      Also, I really don't give a fuck.
      I thought you were David, but then realized I don't know your first name.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by DOHCTR View Post


        Also, I really don't give a fuck.
        Damn dude, it seems like it was just a little joke.

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        • #5
          EAA bringing the fury again. They are the importer of the Witness, for reference.
          "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
          "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler

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          • #6
            Originally posted by CJ View Post
            EAA bringing the fury again. They are the importer of the Witness, for reference.
            They manufacture or just import? The witness is a CZ copy right? I was checking out a witness 10mm a while back.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jimbo View Post
              They manufacture or just import? The witness is a CZ copy right? I was checking out a witness 10mm a while back.
              They are the importer. The Witness is based off the CZ-75, but it isn't a copy, the internals are different. That's why you see people winning IPSC with Witness's and not CZ's. The Armalite AR-24 and the Magnum Research baby eagle are also based on the CZ-75. They can use the same magazines as the CZ-75, but witness mags are usually cheaper so it doesn't make much sense. If their clone of the USP as as good as the HK then I'm all for it.
              "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
              "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Jimbo View Post
                They manufacture or just import? The witness is a CZ copy right? I was checking out a witness 10mm a while back.
                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanfoglio
                Originally posted by Broncojohnny
                HOORAY ME and FUCK YOU!

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                • #9
                  I love both my EAA's, I plan on getting this for sure.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Jimbo View Post
                    Damn dude, it seems like it was just a little joke.
                    lol, its funny for sure, hes an admitted HK nut swinger, no need to get all butt hurt.

                    Anywho, it looks like a nice piece and it looks to be very accurate. I wouldn't mind having one in .45 and for $500.00 smacks it would seem likes its very affordable.
                    Originally posted by Silverback
                    Look all you want, she can't find anyone else who treats her as bad as I do, and I keep her self esteem so low, she wouldn't think twice about going anywhere else.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by IHaveAMustang View Post
                      I love both my EAA's, I plan on getting this for sure.
                      EAA imports plenty of junk too. I wouldn't get too excited until I see and shoot one in person

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ThreeFingerPete View Post
                        EAA imports plenty of junk too. I wouldn't get too excited until I see and shoot one in person
                        What else do they import besides tangfolio, and Caracal? (which is funny because Tangfolio is the european importer for Caracal, and EAA is the American importer).
                        "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
                        "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by CJ View Post
                          What else do they import besides tangfolio, and Caracal? (which is funny because Tangfolio is the european importer for Caracal, and EAA is the American importer).
                          They import a ton of shit.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ThreeFingerPete View Post
                            They import a ton of shit.
                            They are like the Century of European arms. I know they import the Baikal rifles. They also were in talks to import MP5 clones in .22 magnum, but I'm not sure if that ever happened.
                            Last edited by CJ; 09-24-2012, 01:51 PM.
                            "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
                            "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler

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                            • #15
                              I like this. I got press shoot invites from hakim and jaroud? For shot show 2013. They are the reps at eurosatory which they are as well the American representatives for sar arms. They have some quality items I will say they are suppose to be cheap. Or value priced as they enter the market. Also mp5 clones. Fk yeah

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