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  • Op piece: Co shooter chose theater BECAUSE it was gun free.

    With 12 dead and 58 wounded, the July 20th shooting at the Cinemark Century 16 Theater in Aurora, Colorado was sure to result in a lawsuit. On Friday, the first suit was announced, claiming Cinemark has “primary responsibility.” The theater did have responsibility for the attack, but not for the reasons that the lawyers bringing the case think.

    The lawyer bringing the suit, Attorney Marc Bern, with the New York city law firm of Napoli, Bern, Ripka and Scholonik, suggested the theater should have had security guards the night of the attack. Yet, checking bags or metal detectors at the front of the theater that night wouldn’t have prevented the attack. The killer brought his guns in through an emergency backdoor.

    Armed security guards at movie theaters are rare in low crime areas, such as Aurora, especially on less crowded weeknights. And, with an audience fleeing the theater, armed guards may have experienced difficulty getting quickly inside.

    So why did the killer pick the Cinemark theater? You might think that it was the one closest to the killer’s apartment. Or, that it was the one with the largest audience.

    Yet, neither explanation is right. Instead, out of all the movie theaters within 20 minutes of his apartment showing the new Batman movie that night, it was the only one where guns were banned. In Colorado, individuals with permits can carry concealed handgun in most malls, stores, movie theaters, and restaurants. But private businesses can determine whether permit holders can carry guns on their private property.

    Most movie theaters allow permit holders carrying guns. But the Cinemark movie theater was the only one with a sign posted at the theater’s entrance.

    A simple web search and some telephone calls reveal how easily one can find out how Cinemark compared to other movie theaters. According to mapquest.com and movies.com, there were seven movie theaters showing "The Dark Knight Rises" on July 20th within 20 minutes of the killer’s apartment at 1690 Paris St, Aurora, Colorado. At 4 miles and an 8-minute car ride, the Cinemark’s Century Theater wasn't the closest. Another theater was only 1.2 miles (3 minutes) away.

    There was also a theater just slightly further away, 10 minutes. It is the "home of Colorado's largest auditorium," according to their movie hotline greeting message. The potentially huge audience ought to have been attractive to someone trying to kill as many people as possible. Four other theaters were 18 minutes, two at 19 minutes, and 20 minutes away. But all of those theaters allowed permitted concealed handguns.

    So why would a mass shooter pick a place that bans guns? The answer should be obvious, though it apparently is not clear to the media – disarming law-abiding citizens leaves them as sitting ducks.


    Concealed carry is much more frequent than many people believe. With over 4 percent of the adult population in Colorado having concealed handgun permits, a couple hundred adults in Cinemark’s movie theater #9 means that there is an extremely high probability that at least one adult would have a permit.

    Unfortunately, some have still not figured this out. A manager at the Harkins Northfield 18 five miles from the killer’s apartment told me, the theater changed its policy and started banning concealed handguns following the Cinemark attack.

    The recent Colorado and Sikh Temple shootings are by no means the first times that killers targeted gun-free zones. We have witnessed mass public shootings in such places as the Westroads Mall in Omaha, Nebraska and the Trolley Square Mall in Salt Lake City, Utah. In both cases, guns were banned at those particular malls, but not at other similar venues that allowed guns and were spared. With just one single exception, the attack in Tucson last year, every public shooting since at least 1950 in the U.S. in which more than three people have been killed has taken place where citizens are not allowed to carry guns.

    And remember the 1999 Columbine attack in Colorado. Few appreciate that Dylan Klebold, one of the two Columbine killers, was following Colorado legislation that would have let citizens carry a concealed handgun. Presumably, he feared being stopped during his attack by someone with a weapon. In fact, the Columbine attack occurred the very day that final passage was scheduled.

    Gun-free zones are a magnet for those who want to kill many people quickly. Even the most ardent gun control advocate would never put “Gun-Free Zone” signs on their home. Let’s stop finally putting them elsewhere.
    "Self-government won't work without self-discipline." - Paul Harvey

  • #2
    "But I didn't think you could bring guns into a gun free zone"

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    • #3
      Well there ya go.
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      • #4
        Unless the killer said thats why he went there.... how do we know? Oh yea we dont, its just another persons theory on why he went to that exact one.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by 1995RedGT View Post
          Unless the killer said thats why he went there.... how do we know? Oh yea we dont, its just another persons theory on why he went to that exact one.
          How do we know he DIDN'T? Purely speculation on both sides. I can tell you...if I were a lunatic hell bent on committing mass murder in a crowded place...I would probably pick a location I felt had the least chance of people shooting back at me. I'm not saying my PF9 loaded with 9 PDX1+P 124grn JHP's would have stopped an attacker under those circumstances...but it won't stop me from hoping maybe it could have helped. I would have had it on me...and I would have emptied the magazine trying.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by 1995RedGT View Post
            Unless the killer said thats why he went there.... how do we know? Oh yea we dont, its just another persons theory on why he went to that exact one.
            Sure it's a theory. But the piece put down a pretty good argument. Out of ALL the theaters within 20 minutes and beyond, he went to the one that banned guns.

            Intentional? Or was it just blind chance that it happened that way?
            "Self-government won't work without self-discipline." - Paul Harvey

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            • #7
              Did the other theaters do anything special for the midnight showings? Or even have midnight showings? Cinemark does do special events/things for midnight showings and for opening day. Maybe the reason he choose that theater was because they were having a costume contest and feeding into his delusion.

              Maybe he choose the cinemark over the bigger theater because it was better, nicer, or newer.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by 1995RedGT View Post
                Unless the killer said thats why he went there.... how do we know? Oh yea we dont, its just another persons theory on why he went to that exact one.
                With all of the planning/timing/execution of this event, picking a theatre that bans firearms would be par for the course. The FBI said it was one of the most intricate booby-trap bomb scheme they'd ever seen... why would something as glaringly obivous as being the only gun-free theatre within 20 miles surprise you as being the choice?

                Originally posted by John -- '02 HAWK View Post
                Did the other theaters do anything special for the midnight showings? Or even have midnight showings? Cinemark does do special events/things for midnight showings and for opening day. Maybe the reason he choose that theater was because they were having a costume contest and feeding into his delusion.

                Maybe he choose the cinemark over the bigger theater because it was better, nicer, or newer.
                Considering he walked in dressed in plain clothes and exited to change into his body armor, I don't think he was concerned about Costume Day at Cinemark.

                What does how "nice and new" the theatre is have anything to do with the choice? Picking a theatre where the patrons are fish in a barrel would matter to me if I was going to try and execute everybody there. I could care less about the wood trim and fresh-smelling seats.
                Originally posted by PGreenCobra
                I can't get over the fact that you get to go live the rest of your life, knowing that someone made a Halloween costume out of you. LMAO!!
                Originally posted by Trip McNeely
                Originally posted by dsrtuckteezy
                dont downshift!!
                Go do a whooly in front of a Peterbilt.

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                • #9
                  I'm not saying he didn't choose it because it banned guns. But we sure as hell don't know that is why he chose that one. Just because it fits after the fact doesn't mean it was actually chosen to work that way.

                  It's like any thing that happens, we always love to go back and try to make it all fit together in a way that proves some point or helps an agenda along.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by 1995RedGT View Post
                    I'm not saying he didn't choose it because it banned guns. But we sure as hell don't know that is why he chose that one. Just because it fits after the fact doesn't mean it was actually chosen to work that way.

                    It's like any thing that happens, we always love to go back and try to make it all fit together in a way that proves some point or helps an agenda along.
                    The only agenda here is noticing that the shooter had a lot of viable options that were closer or yielded a higher death toll, but chose the theatre that banned firearms. All agenda aside, that would be a smart move on his part... and it's probably why he went there.
                    Originally posted by PGreenCobra
                    I can't get over the fact that you get to go live the rest of your life, knowing that someone made a Halloween costume out of you. LMAO!!
                    Originally posted by Trip McNeely
                    Originally posted by dsrtuckteezy
                    dont downshift!!
                    Go do a whooly in front of a Peterbilt.

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                    • #11
                      I liked the article, but IF that was the case, would he have put of body armor knowing that guns were banned?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by GeorgeG. View Post
                        I liked the article, but IF that was the case, would he have put of body armor knowing that guns were banned?
                        I would have, police don't care about gun-free zones!
                        Originally posted by PGreenCobra
                        I can't get over the fact that you get to go live the rest of your life, knowing that someone made a Halloween costume out of you. LMAO!!
                        Originally posted by Trip McNeely
                        Originally posted by dsrtuckteezy
                        dont downshift!!
                        Go do a whooly in front of a Peterbilt.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by GeorgeG. View Post
                          I liked the article, but IF that was the case, would he have put of body armor knowing that guns were banned?
                          Ricochet
                          "If I asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." - Henry Ford

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DON SVO View Post
                            Considering he walked in dressed in plain clothes and exited to change into his body armor, I don't think he was concerned about Costume Day at Cinemark.

                            What does how "nice and new" the theatre is have anything to do with the choice? Picking a theatre where the patrons are fish in a barrel would matter to me if I was going to try and execute everybody there. I could care less about the wood trim and fresh-smelling seats.
                            Remember he told the cops that he was joker and thats why his hair was dyed such an odd color. So he didnt need to dress up because in his mind he was a character (supposedly).

                            This was a preplanned attack it required some forethought on how to get in and out. Which means he had been there before and knew where the exits led to, and that the doors didnt have any sort of alarm. So that probably means he came there before, and maybe that was because it was a better, nicer, or newer theater than the others. Making the reason he choose that theater was because that was one he was more comfortable with.

                            The article's claim that it was solely because of the no gun sticker is short sighted. As I've illustrated there could be several factors as to why he choose that theater
                            Last edited by John -- '02 HAWK; 09-13-2012, 10:13 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Sounds good in theory. The only way to know is to ask the guy.

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