restricting online ammo sales

[GrayStangGT]

I had planned on doing it anyways, but went ahead and ordered 1k rounds each of 308, 45, 9 and 223 yesterday to add to my stock pile. I've also been saving my brass for years in the even that I stop being lazy and get into reloading.

I figured this would be a good use of the cash back rewards that I've been building up on my credit card.

[Bputacoma]

What do you wanna bet they will make private F2F ammunition sales illegal mixed in with their BS law.

Probably, or some new law banning/illegal it because its 'not safe'.

[CJ]

Probably, or some new law banning/illegal it because its 'not taxable/trackable'.

corrected.

[mikec]

Probably, or some new law banning/illegal it because its 'not taxable/trackable'.
corrected.

If a credit card is used, and it is delivered to an address, how is it not traceable?

[CJ]

If a credit card is used, and it is delivered to an address, how is it not traceable?

Because you can pay with any credit card, and you can ship it to any address. You can also pay for it with other means.

[mikec]

Because you can pay with any credit card, and you can ship it to any address. You can also pay for it with other means.

Not trying to be a dick here but most people who use credit cards use them when issued in their own names. Also the addresses are matched to their name. Lastly, most companies have policies, especially when it turns into hundreds of dollars per purchase, to not deliver to any other than the billing address. I know that we don't have any cards that don't point directly to us.

I can see your point if you're dealing with those who engage in credit card fraud and the like, just don't see the pertinence for the "average Joe".

By "any other means" do you mean COD or the like?

[CJ]

Not trying to be a dick here but most people who use credit cards use them when issued in their own names. Also the addresses are matched to their name. Lastly, most companies have policies, especially when it turns into hundreds of dollars per purchase, to not deliver to any other than the billing address. I know that we don't have any cards that don't point directly to us.

I can see your point if you're dealing with those who engage in credit card fraud and the like, just don't see the pertinence for the "average Joe".

By "any other means" do you mean COD or the like?

Stolen cards or identify theft. None of my ammunition suppliers require the same address as the billing. The idea of the proposed bill is to prevent people from purchasing large quantities and to control and regulate. Also, all of my suppliers *accept money orders and cashiers checks.

[mikec]

Stolen cards or identify theft. None of my ammunition suppliers require the same address as the billing. The idea of the proposed bill is to prevent people from purchasing large quantities and to control and regulate. Also, all of my suppliers except money orders and cashiers checks.

Totally sucks that, if that is indeed the reasoning behind the bill, it applies to us all when, per the newest stats I could find (2008), this fraud affects less than 1.4% of all transactions. Moreover, if the 30-50% figure is accurate, the actual number is going to be closer to .75 of one percent. Not at all enough reason to implement this measure, imo.


"In 2000, North American e-merchants lost an average 3.6 percent of their sales to stolen or fraudulent credit cards. In 2007, that figure was down to 1.4 percent, according to the 2008 "Online Fraud Report" by CyberSource, a major credit card payment gateway."

"What is the median loss per credit-card-fraud compliant? It's $298, according to the F.B.I. On the upside, of all categories monitored, $298 is the lowest median dollar volume per crime tracked by the IC3."

"Despite the amount of online fraud, it's important to note that the total of online credit card fraud is still less than losses due to checking account fraud each year. Moreover, much of what is classified as credit card fraud is often "friendly fraud." Friendly fraud is when real customers contest a charge - often to get merchandise for free - by claiming that the credit card charge wasn't authorized. The merchant has to pay back the bank for the order, at least until the investigation is over, and is often levied an additional "chargeback" fee.

"Thirty to 50 percent of chargebacks are from friendly fraud," says Dan Clements, president of CardCops.com, a Connecticut-based company cataloging online credit card fraud. "These are actual customers who either had a problem with the order or want to get it free."

http://www.practicalecommerce.com/articles/720-Credit-Card-Fraud-How-Big-Is-The-Problem-

[GrayStangGT]

Stolen cards or identify theft. None of my ammunition suppliers require the same address as the billing. The idea of the proposed bill is to prevent people from purchasing large quantities and to control and regulate. Also, all of my suppliers except money orders and cashiers checks.

I always have everything delivered to work if it is coming UPS, because I don't want $1000 worth of ammo sitting on my porch all day.

[CJ]

Totally sucks that, if that is indeed the reasoning behind the bill, it applies to us all when, per the newest stats I could find (2008), this fraud affects less than 1.4% of all transactions. Moreover, if the 30-50% figure is accurate, the actual number is going to be closer to .75 of one percent. Not at all enough reason to implement this measure, imo.


"In 2000, North American e-merchants lost an average 3.6 percent of their sales to stolen or fraudulent credit cards. In 2007, that figure was down to 1.4 percent, according to the 2008 "Online Fraud Report" by CyberSource, a major credit card payment gateway."

"What is the median loss per credit-card-fraud compliant? It's $298, according to the F.B.I. On the upside, of all categories monitored, $298 is the lowest median dollar volume per crime tracked by the IC3."

"Despite the amount of online fraud, it's important to note that the total of online credit card fraud is still less than losses due to checking account fraud each year. Moreover, much of what is classified as credit card fraud is often "friendly fraud." Friendly fraud is when real customers contest a charge - often to get merchandise for free - by claiming that the credit card charge wasn't authorized. The merchant has to pay back the bank for the order, at least until the investigation is over, and is often levied an additional "chargeback" fee.

"Thirty to 50 percent of chargebacks are from friendly fraud," says Dan Clements, president of CardCops.com, a Connecticut-based company cataloging online credit card fraud. "These are actual customers who either had a problem with the order or want to get it free."


http://www.practicalecommerce.com/ar...s-The-Problem-

That's not the reason for the bill, the bill is about regulation and control over ammunition. I'm simply giving you multiple examples of how it can be untraceable. People who are intent on committing crimes are going to use stolen cards or other means to make it untraceable.