Marine Corp orders some new Colt's

[ThreeFingerPete]

I wonder what the rate of fire was for that number of rounds. If they simulated "regular" range use, and paused a second each round, then that's very telling. More likely it was a bit more rapid, as surely soldiers send lead down range in much quicker succession when being fired upon. Even still, if that was only a few magazines at a time, with a cool down period, that shouldn't be a problem.

If it was 12,000 rapid fire rounds as quick as they could swap the magazines, I see that as a potential to cause issue with any semi-auto pistol. Except for the HK's of course.

Meh. I don't buy it. The heat shouldn't be the difference. Consider that there are 1911s in the hands of competition shooters with 100,000+ rounds and those guys run the shit out of a gun.

[Big A]

Meh. I don't buy it. The heat shouldn't be the difference. Consider that there are 1911s in the hands of competition shooters with 100,000+ rounds and those guys run the shit out of a gun.

I tend to agree, but those competition shooters didn't shoot 12,000 rounds at a time, in one session. Not to mention that those competition guns are far from mass produced generic guns, they been tweaked quite a bit.

There is a reason that cars don't finish the 12 hours of Le Mans, and they are doing what they are built to do. Granted, cars are alot more complex, but you get my point.

It very well may be just shitty metal and construction, which begs the question, why wasn't this testing done prior to commiting $22.5MM?

[ThreeFingerPete]

I tend to agree, but those competition shooters didn't shoot 12,000 rounds at a time, in one session. Not to mention that those competition guns are far from mass produced generic guns, they been tweaked quite a bit.

There is a reason that cars don't finish the 12 hours of Le Mans, and they are doing what they are built to do. Granted, cars are alot more complex, but you get my point.

It very well may be just shitty metal and construction, which begs the question, why wasn't this testing done prior to commiting $22.5MM?

Aaron, we don't know that they fired 12,000 rounds in one sitting and it's foolish to speculate. Ultimately, it really doesn't matter, because I doubt the temperature difference is the issue.

The problem is that 1911s require lots of lube and hand fitted replacement parts if there are any stoppages. In the Marines request, they are asking for a firearm that doesn't exist.


"Semi-automatic, .45 ACP caliber. Single stack magazine must hold at least 7 rounds. It is desirable that the pistol function with the Marine Corps .45 ACP 7-round magazine (NSN 1005-01-373-2774) used in the current MEUSOC pistol. Pistol must have an accessory rail meeting MIL-STD-1913 specifications to mount accessories. It must have a grip safety and an ambidextrous manual safety which are operable by users wearing cold weather and NBC gloves. It has dull, non reflective surfaces and uses standard military colors. It must lock the slide or bolt to the rear after the last round in the magazine is fired. It has a beveled magazine well to facilitate rapid loading. The pistol has a lanyard loop attachment point."

They're asking for a 1911 that doesn't require any smithing of maintenance parts. It doesn't currently exist, as the entire pistol requires some, if little fitting to assure that it runs properly. This isn't the case with any of the other guns that would seem to be more logical choices.

The Springfields are wearing out at a similar rate to the Colts, from what I can gather.

[dee]

Another note is these pistols are going the Marine special forces guys not the run of the mill grunt.

[Brandon-k]

MARSOC - Bad mofo's right here...


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[71chevellejohn]

^^^ those guys must all be related - they all look the same in the face.

[KBScobravert]

^^^ those guys must all be related - they all look the same in the face.

New face armor to replace the Kevlar beard.

The guy in the back must be a Seal. Hands in the pocket gave it away.

[Fatass]

You do realize that the contract also covers spare parts and support, right? They wanted a 1911, give it to them. And where in that did it state parts must interchange with no smithing? I don't see it in what you posted.

[ThreeFingerPete]

https://www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&mode=form&tab=core&id=b363ec929bda1631f9d80eebb9335f36&_cview=0

[HarrisonTX]

My last unit in the Army had a ton of 1911's. All old as hell, and all kept right on ticking. I really enjoyed seeing them still in service.

[mikec]

I tend to agree, but those competition shooters didn't shoot 12,000 rounds at a time, in one session. Not to mention that those competition guns are far from mass produced generic guns, they been tweaked quite a bit.

There is a reason that cars don't finish the 12 hours of Le Mans, and they are doing what they are built to do. Granted, cars are alot more complex, but you get my point.

It very well may be just shitty metal and construction, which begs the question, why wasn't this testing done prior to commiting $22.5MM?

If the rate of fire, after adding in time to change mags, was one round per second, how many days would it take to fire 12,000 rounds? Something like 8.33 days? Would this even be feasible?

[Big A]

If the rate of fire, after adding in time to change mags, was one round per second, how many days would it take to fire 12,000 rounds? Something like 8.33 days? Would this even be feasible?

I don't necessarily think that is what was done, just trying to see all options. If you've just invested $22.5MM, what is 8 days.

I read the whole article, and it doesn't even say that it was 12k rounds per gun. It just say that 4 guns were tested, and 12k rounds were fired. I can't imagine even the cheapest 1911 cracking like that after only 3,000 rounds though. Even without intermittent oiling.

[CJ]

The cracking slides are pretty interesting.

[GAP]

Excessive recoil? Needs more spring?

[BlackGT]

MARSOC - Bad mofo's right here...


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Where can I get a pixilated face mask like that? Need it to go with my Mall Ninja outfit!