PT 58hc or FN 57?

[ARIX]

I have been debating grabbing one of these. Anyone have any experience with either? I know a 380 is not a big round but 20 of them in a mag could be handy. Both hold 20 rounds, but the FN 57 is twice as much, and it pierces body armor but it sure is ugly.

[ThreeFingerPete]

I have been debating grabbing one of these. Anyone have any experience with either? I know a 380 is not a big round but 20 of them in a mag could be handy. Both hold 20 rounds, but the FN 57 is twice as much, and it pierces body armor but it sure is ugly.

Which 5.7 ammo pierces armor?

And how on gods green earth did your search come down to those two guns?

[ARIX]

I have lots of different guns from 1892 to present day. I was mainly looking at mag capacity. I don't know anyone who has those so I am inquiring from the DFWmustang ballers.

[ARIX]

Which 5.7 ammo pierces armor?

And how on gods green earth did your search come down to those two guns?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Five-seven

The new cartridge was to have greater range, accuracy, and terminal performance than the 9×19mm cartridge.[1] Additionally, it was to be capable of penetrating certain types of body armor.[1]
The shoulder-fired personal defense weapon was to weigh less than 3 kg (6.6 lb), with a magazine capacity of at least 20 rounds.[1]

[VaderTT]

Get a Para warthog.

[ARIX]

Get a Para warthog.

Thats a nice gun although the reviews do not look positive. I do have a mp-45 and a wilson combat 1911. The low capacity mag is what I do not like. I know everyone on here is an eagle eye shot and probably only needs one shot, but I'd like to know I have way more than I need in the mag.

[KBScobravert]

I have been debating grabbing one of these. Anyone have any experience with either? I know a 380 is not a big round but 20 of them in a mag could be handy. Both hold 20 rounds, but the FN 57 is twice as much, and it pierces body armor but it sure is ugly.

I have lots of different guns from 1892 to present day. I was mainly looking at mag capacity. I don't know anyone who has those so I am inquiring from the DFWmustang ballers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Five-seven

The new cartridge was to have greater range, accuracy, and terminal performance than the 9×19mm cartridge.[1] Additionally, it was to be capable of penetrating certain types of body armor.[1]
The shoulder-fired personal defense weapon was to weigh less than 3 kg (6.6 lb), with a magazine capacity of at least 20 rounds.[1]

Why do you want high mag capacity that can put holes in body armor?

Quoting Wiki, is like saying "I saw it on the internet".

[VaderTT]

Thats a nice gun.

I was kidding.

[ARIX]

I was kidding.

It is a nice gun with bad reviews.

[ARIX]

Why do you want high mag capacity that can put holes in body armor?

Quoting Wiki, is like saying "I saw it on the internet".

In case some asshole with red hair and body armor shoots up a theatre. I'm sure I'm not the only person who has reconsidered their collection after that. I usually carry a revolver, but f$#@ with only 5 shots.

And I did see it on the internet.

[KBScobravert]

In case some asshole with red hair and body armor shoots up a theatre. I'm sure I'm not the only person who has reconsidered their ccw after that. I usually carry a revolver, but f$#@ with only 5 shots.

I was just stirring the pot.
Try to find all the situations where a subject wore body armor putting innocent victims in harm’s way. Disregard gang violence directed against gang members etc. unless you fall in that category (I doubt you do). I bet you come up with such a small percent you get tired of hitting the 0.

Don't get to worked up, but rethinking your carry is not a bad idea. I just don't know if I would go to those calibers and extremes.

[dsrtuckteezy]

i think 15 rounds of .40 is sufficient if youre looking at full size pistols.

that taurus is a full-frame, right?

[ARIX]

Very good advice on the arsenal part, I will edit that out. I have had a CHL for almost 10 years and have only had to draw down a couple of times. A revolver has always been sufficient. After the tragedy the other day I decided I need something better. I am guessing that the 57 would be an issue with overpenetration in most cases. So I was considering the pt 58 hc so I could have 20 attempts to shoot around armor if the situation ever presented itself. I pray it doesn't. Like mentioned I have pretty much every caliber in my collection but nothing that I would want to carry or risk damage to. From a price wise and tactical point I'm leaning to the pt 58. I was just looking for anyone that had any input on either.

[ARIX]

i think 15 rounds of .40 is sufficient if youre looking at full size pistols.

that taurus is a full-frame, right?

That taurus does look full frame but I have not handled one in person. I do have a g-23 with crimson trace I carry from time to time that is definately going to be toted around more.

[ThreeFingerPete]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Five-seven

The new cartridge was to have greater range, accuracy, and terminal performance than the 9×19mm cartridge.[1] Additionally, it was to be capable of penetrating certain types of body armor.[1]
The shoulder-fired personal defense weapon was to weigh less than 3 kg (6.6 lb), with a magazine capacity of at least 20 rounds.[1]

Did I ask what 5.7 is? No. I asked a very specific question and you failed to address it. How familiar are you with the 5.7 round? Are you talking about soft armor, or hard armor? Why on earth is your other consideration a .380?