Our friends at the U.N. are at it again!

[Vertnut]

So tell me what will happen if this is ratified then? Maybe give me a timeline like this-


2012: Obama enters second term

2013: A democrat controlled congress passes the 28th amendment effectively eliminating the right to bear arms

2014: Cops go house to house for a year and a half getting peoples firearms, who hand them over willingly and without a fight. The NRA dissolves and becomes a branch of the ACLU.

2016: Full US citizenship given to all citizens of Mexico, as well as free healthcare, money, and education.

2017: 29th amendment suspends the 22nd amendment

2018: Obama elected to third term



This is what right wing conservitards actually believe.

I don't know what they believe. It doesn't have to be that drastic in order to be effective. Just a halt on manufacturing weapons here in our country and/or not allowing importation of those made outside the country. That can be done in a multitude of ways, just like Judge Roberts determined that Obamacare was fine if it was a tax. Just tax the piss out of all the gun manufacturers to the point they can't stay in business. There's more than one way to skin a cat. I hardly consider myself a "conservitard". I've just seen what can happen over the years if things happen to fall in place.

[Moose242]

Just a halt on manufacturing weapons here in our country...

LOL! Sure, put a multi-billion dollar a year industry out of work. Oh wait, you have to ban ALL guns in the country first somehow. Sounds legit.

...and/or not allowing importation of those made outside the country.

George Bush (a republican) did that in 1989.

Just tax the piss out of all the gun manufacturers to the point they can't stay in business.

They have done this. Hell, every gun I want nowadays requires an additional $200 that back in '34 was a shitload of money.

Modern military weapons (select fires/full autos) were banned by Reagan in '86, 2 supreme court rulings say you can have pistols, and they cant take away your hunting rifles and shotguns. What the fuck other gun rights can we lose?

[Vertnut]

LOL! Sure, put a multi-billion dollar a year industry out of work. Oh wait, you have to ban ALL guns in the country first somehow. Sounds legit.




George Bush (a republican) did that in 1989.




They have done this. Hell, every gun I want nowadays requires an additional $200 that back in '34 was a shitload of money.

Modern military weapons (select fires/full autos) were banned by Reagan in '86, 2 supreme court rulings say you can have pistols, and they cant take away your hunting rifles and shotguns. What the fuck other gun rights can we lose?

It's never been a concern for Barry to put Americans out of work. Why would it in the future?

[ThreeFingerPete]

I do not fear an international treaty, nor do I foresee a legitimate outside threat to our ability to defend ourselves with firearms.

Real threats to our current way of life exist outside of our ability to own firearms. I am much more concerned about the dollar being ditched as the world reserve currency for example. That will fuck most people over more than any legislation or treaty pertaining to guns.

I agree completely that our current course is going to send us into failure mode, which will let the husker-doos up in Washington rush "emergency" legislation (as B.Obama has already been in favor of doing).

The ripple effect of any of these other great economic actions will be worsened by the inability to defend ourselves / each other.

So ultimately, I am concerned that what should be another meaningless piece of parchment, will hold more water than it should, and I'm VERY concerned that as many of our "representatives" are willing to sign off on it. It shows a very clear state of mind differential between many of the populace and the seeming majority of the politicians.

[Moose242]

It's never been a concern for Barry to put Americans out of work. Why would it in the future?

Dude, are you even trying now?

[Vertnut]

Dude, are you even trying now?

I just think you're whistling past the graveyard.

[Moose242]

I agree completely that our current course is going to send us into failure mode, which will let the husker-doos up in Washington rush "emergency" legislation (as B.Obama has already been in favor of doing).

The ripple effect of any of these other great economic actions will be worsened by the inability to defend ourselves / each other.

So ultimately, I am concerned that what should be another meaningless piece of parchment, will hold more water than it should, and I'm VERY concerned that as many of our "representatives" are willing to sign off on it. It shows a very clear state of mind differential between many of the populace and the seeming majority of the politicians.

You know as well as I do that if Obama and the Democrats started shaving that close to the grain then there would be legitimate talks of a large portion of the country leaving the union.

Hell, I am for it now.

[Moose242]

I just think you're whistling past the graveyard.

What can I say, I am an optimist. A well informed one at that.

[Vertnut]

You know as well as I do that if Obama and the Democrats started shaving that close to the grain then there would be legitimate talks of a large portion of the country leaving the union.

Hell, I am for it now.

Now you're the one that's delusional. LOL!

[ceyko]

Modern military weapons (select fires/full autos) were banned by Reagan in '86, 2 supreme court rulings say you can have pistols, and they cant take away your hunting rifles and shotguns. What the fuck other gun rights can we lose?

All of them. I've been in countries where the UN provided amnesty and US/MNF troops went door to door taking weapons or confiscating them if found.

Granted, not 100% the same but to a lot of UN folks this would be completely acceptable behavior to just take our guns. Those countries also had laws/provision for their citizens to have guns.

Also, a lot did not give up their guns either. However, after the amnesty period they are now breaking their local laws - that were influenced by the UN.

In short, there is no good reason to be a part of the treaty. There are bad reasons to do so and I think that's the main point.

[ThreeFingerPete]

You know as well as I do that if Obama and the Democrats started shaving that close to the grain then there would be legitimate talks of a large portion of the country leaving the union.

Hell, I am for it now.

I'd be very interested in reading an in depth look at how that would go down at this point. My perspective is that unless it was a swift and strong movement on the part of the secessionists, the government would just label it terrorism and use the military to do work. It's not the 1860's, when a bow and arrow wasn't too much of a disadvantage compared to a flintlock.

[Moose242]

Now you're the one that's delusional. LOL!

Revolutions have great precedent in this Country.

[Vertnut]

All of them. I've been in countries where the UN provided amnesty and US/MNF troops went door to door taking weapons or confiscating them if found.

Granted, not 100% the same but to a lot of UN folks this would be completely acceptable behavior to just take our guns. Those countries also had laws/provision for their citizens to have guns.

Also, a lot did not give up their guns either. However, after the amnesty period they are now breaking their local laws - that were influenced by the UN.

In short, there is no good reason to be a part of the treaty. There are bad reasons to do so and I think that's the main point.

That's more my point. If Hillary and Barry don't think it matters, or will make a difference down the road, then why sign it?

[ceyko]

I'd be very interested in reading an in depth look at how that would go down at this point. My perspective is that unless it was a swift and strong movement on the part of the secessionists, the government would just label it terrorism and use the military to do work. It's not the 1860's, when a bow and arrow wasn't too much of a disadvantage compared to a flintlock.

...and the general population had good areas to hide, regroup and all that jazz.

[Wicked98Snake]

Damn it I just started collecting guns now they're gonna try and take them away?!?!? LOL