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**dee** · 03-21-2012, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by BlackSnake View Post

No. The 223 is known for 5/6 hundred yard shooting as well as the 22-250. Im not up on the .22's, but I think they are pretty long range as well. All are the same bullet with bigger casings/powder as you go up.

Both are very good rounds the added velocity of the 250 is nice when accounting for wind with the lower BC bullets the .224 diameter bullets have. Either will be sufficient as long as you stick to varmints pigs can get tricky the farther out you get with a .224 bullet the ear is the best sure fire kill shot and the wind can play hell on you.

**BlackGT** · 03-21-2012, 02:18 PM

If you're going to be doing serious varmint hunting and putting lots of rounds down range, the .223 will suit you better. The 22-250, while a great round, due to the velocity and powder capacity will have throat erosion problems and require rebarreling sooner than the .223...

**BlackSnake** · 03-21-2012, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by BlackGT View Post

If you're going to be doing serious varmint hunting and putting lots of rounds down range, the .223 will suit you better. The 22-250, while a great round, due to the velocity and powder capacity will have throat erosion problems and require rebarreling sooner than the .223...

That is the only draw back, and I have concidered it. Also asked the approx. rounds through it in pm.

**dee** · 03-21-2012, 03:05 PM

It will take a lot of rounds to burn one out the biggest thing to remember is not to let the barrel get too hot.

**bigmuskie** · 03-21-2012, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by BlackSnake View Post

That is the only draw back, and I have concidered it. Also asked the approx. rounds through it in pm.

Answered your PM.

**ThreeFingerPete** · 03-21-2012, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by dee View Post

Most are sold or labeled as MOA but testing will show they are actually in IPHY(inches). Those two are the most commonly sold as having adjustments in inches, although the Leupold is labeled as an MOA adjustment. To test I like to sight in at 100yrds ( verified via a rangefinder) then using a large piece of paper shoot one group then come up 20MOA if adjustments are in true MOA then group should be spaced 10.5" ( actually 10.47") apart if in inches only 10" will separate the two. To the average shooter or hunter this is no issue but if any kind of long range shooting is in the future it can matter greatly depending on how forgiving your caliber round is, it can be the difference in a first round hit and a miss. I've had several that were off and currently still have two a Bushnell 3200 and 4200 also had a Leupy Vari-X III tactical (basically a MK4 before the MK4 lineup with black ring and all) all were in inches instead of MOA like their respected mauals said. My NF however is spot on and should be for the cost, my MK4 with 1/20mil adjustments is spot on as well.

The difference between the two is 1" / 100y, vs 1.046"/ 100y. That is just over FOUR ONE HUNDREDTHS of an inch. At 1000 yards, the difference between a miscalculation between the two would be a whopping .47". You are overstating the importance of this issue.

Again, I asked you to provide references to reinforce your claims. You still provided nothing but anecdotal evidence.

**dee** · 03-21-2012, 05:02 PM

It's not the difference in the measurement at the target it's the difference in the scope adjustments. Using a 308 shooting FGGM with 168gr SMK's at 1000 the drop in MOA is 42.3 or 442.881" which is if the scope doesn't actually adjust in MOA but in IPHY drop is 423" that's a big difference if the shooter just assumes the manufacturer is correct. It is critical to check measurements if shooting over 700.

**ThreeFingerPete** · 03-21-2012, 05:53 PM

Your turrets either say 1/4", or 1/4 moa. If youre not familiar with your equipment, then thats one issue. Are you saying that scopes that have turrets labeled "moa" are actually in inches? If so, then please provide references.

**YALE** · 03-21-2012, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by BlackSnake View Post

That is the only draw back, and I have concidered it. Also asked the approx. rounds through it in pm.

If you're actually worried about that, get a Savage. You can have a spare .22-250 barrel ready and waiting, and swap it on your kitchen table when it's time to replace it. You can also have spare barrels in other calibers, and swap them in when you want the gun to do something else.

**BlackGT** · 03-21-2012, 07:15 PM

^Hard to argue with that...

**YALE** · 03-21-2012, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by BlackGT View Post

^Hard to argue with that...

Short action and a .473" bolt face give you the world, more or less.

**dee** · 03-21-2012, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by ThreeFingerPete View Post

Your turrets either say 1/4", or 1/4 moa. If youre not familiar with your equipment, then thats one issue. Are you saying that scopes that have turrets labeled "moa" are actually in inches? If so, then please provide references.

What more of a reference would you like? All that's out there is people on other forums that have checked their scopes adjustments as well. Are you gonna disclaim there findings as well since you haven't done it?

**dee** · 03-21-2012, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by ThreeFingerPete View Post

Your turrets either say 1/4", or 1/4 moa. .

Turret's can say 1/4" but manual will say 1/4 MOA.

**ThreeFingerPete** · 03-21-2012, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by dee View Post

What more of a reference would you like? All that's out there is people on other forums that have checked their scopes adjustments as well. Are you gonna disclaim there findings as well since you haven't done it?

I asked for references because you said

Originally posted by dee View Post

MOA is converted into inches on any measureing in linear sights,when you range in MOAor use your reticle for measuring adjustments it's in inches. The big thing is that if your scope actually has true MOA adjustments (1.047") or iphy (inch per hundred yards) ironically the last is more common when actually tested.

Edit I think we are all thinking/talking about the same it's just we are thinking and describing differently.

I posted:

Originally posted by ThreeFingerPete View Post

References please.

You didn't post references.

Originally posted by dee View Post

I can't copy and paste links on my phone but there is a good write up on accurate shooter .com. Leupold scopes with M1 turrets are one that is set at 1" per 4 clicks at 100 yards or shooters MOA, that's one of the main scopes that come to mind, US Optics also makes one too.

What part of REFERENCES is getting you so confused? You state that it's more common to have a scope that is mislabeled than it is to have one that's correctly labeled, so I simply asked you to back that claim up.