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  • #16
    Originally posted by BlackSnake View Post
    Really? And they are not bull barrel?
    They are both "bull barrel" rifles... Per Remington "The 20" heavy-contour barrel teams with dual-point pillar bedding to enhance accuracy."

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    • #17
      Nice shooting for sure, but I'm still hoping for long shot accuracy as well.
      My pic just shows what the gun is capable of. If it's not capable of tight groups at 100 then it won't be capable at longer ranges. If a gun is capable of sub 1/2" groups at 100yds, then it's still capable sub of of the same relative size groups at 200yds(.784"), 300yds(1.176"), 400yds(1.568"), etc.. It's the shooter that affects accuracy the most, especially at longer ranges.

      I've been meaning to get out to the range. Next time I go, I'll hit you up to see if you want to come squeeze some rounds off from my Savages... That is, if you are located near by...
      Last edited by BlackGT; 03-20-2012, 05:43 PM.
      "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." - Thomas Jefferson, 1776

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      • #18
        I believe you mean MOA not "
        "It's another burrito, it's a cold Lone Star in my hand!"

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        • #19
          No, I meant " as in inches. You can convert inches to moa and moa to inches. Calipers don't measure in moa... But I see what you're saying and corrected it.
          "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." - Thomas Jefferson, 1776

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          • #20
            MOA is inches, it is actually 1.047" at 100 yards.
            "It's another burrito, it's a cold Lone Star in my hand!"

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            • #21
              MOA is Minute Of Angle, a unit of measurement that can be converted into inches, another more standard, unit of measure.
              "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." - Thomas Jefferson, 1776

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              • #22
                Seems the bull barrels help sub Par shooters as myself shoot better with the extra weight .I have a buddy with a 700 classic in a 22-250 w/hand loads will shoot a 5 shot group less than 1/2 inch (cooling between shots). I can't hold that light gun steady enuff , but the heavy guns help me a lot .

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by SOLOW55 View Post
                  Seems the bull barrels help sub Par shooters as myself shoot better with the extra weight .I have a buddy with a 700 classic in a 22-250 w/hand loads will shoot a 5 shot group less than 1/2 inch (cooling between shots). I can't hold that light gun steady enuff , but the heavy guns help me a lot .
                  This is alot of it imho. A heavy gun with a good bi-pod is easy to shoot.

                  Recoil can kill a group if you cant handle it. Im short and bigger rounds can push me around if i shoulder it like most. I actually bring a gun a little more in towards my chest.

                  I would not be afraid to shoot my tikka out to 600 with my shooting. Most of your bigger brands are offering a under inch group at a 100. Sometimes it has to be the ammo they tested with to get those results.

                  Thompson center has guns that offer a under half inch out of the box. they are also not bull barrels.

                  If you do get a tikka buy some talley rungs for it the day you buy it. Tikka rings blow ass. Mine tried to rip the recoil stud out, and the allen head screws round out with in spec tq ratings.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by dee View Post
                    Trust me carrying a heavy rifle is not a lot of fun when hunting.
                    Yeah, I wagged around a AR 15 Bull Barrel 308 this last weekend. Not a lot of fun to carry around.

                    Originally posted by BlackGT View Post
                    I've been meaning to get out to the range. Next time I go, I'll hit you up to see if you want to come squeeze some rounds off from my Savages... That is, if you are located near by...
                    I might have to take you up on that if I can find some time. I'm just west of Grapevine.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by BlackGT View Post
                      MOA is Minute Of Angle, a unit of measurement that can be converted into inches, another more standard, unit of measure.
                      With firearms its is inches hence MOA adjustment on scopes are in inches (of some form either IPHY or true MOA) and mil scopes are in millradians or 1/10 or 1/20 mil adjustments.
                      Last edited by dee; 03-20-2012, 09:14 PM.
                      "It's another burrito, it's a cold Lone Star in my hand!"

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by BlackSnake View Post
                        Yeah, I wagged around a AR 15 Bull Barrel 308 this last weekend. Not a lot of fun to carry around.
                        If you're just carrying to a stand where you'll have a good rest it's not that bad but can be a bitch doing off hand shots. A good quality sling goes a long way on ease ability of carrying too.
                        "It's another burrito, it's a cold Lone Star in my hand!"

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                        • #27
                          If you want a nice little one, that Savage precision carbine is nice as hell. FWIW, it's got a threaded barrel, if you ever want to throw a can on it.
                          Last edited by YALE; 03-20-2012, 10:37 PM.
                          ZOMBIE REAGAN FOR PRESIDENT 2016!!! heh

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by dee View Post
                            With firearms its is inches hence MOA adjustment on scopes are in inches (of some form either IPHY or true MOA) and mil scopes are in millradians or 1/10 or 1/20 mil adjustments.
                            Wat? Moa is moa, milliradians are milliradians. Neither are inches.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by ThreeFingerPete View Post
                              Wat? Moa is moa, milliradians are milliradians. Neither are inches.
                              MOA is converted into inches on any measureing in linear sights,when you range in MOAor use your reticle for measuring adjustments it's in inches. The big thing is that if your scope actually has true MOA adjustments (1.047") or iphy (inch per hundred yards) ironically the last is more common when actually tested.

                              Edit I think we are all thinking/talking about the same it's just we are thinking and describing differently.
                              "It's another burrito, it's a cold Lone Star in my hand!"

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by dee View Post
                                MOA is converted into inches on any measureing in linear sights,when you range in MOAor use your reticle for measuring adjustments it's in inches. The big thing is that if your scope actually has true MOA adjustments (1.047") or iphy (inch per hundred yards) ironically the last is more common when actually tested.

                                Edit I think we are all thinking/talking about the same it's just we are thinking and describing differently.
                                References please.

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