5.7x28

[Geor!]

Well, then you might to consider a Keltc PMR-30 - it has a 31 round capacity and roughly the same energy delivery. not to mention ammo is 1/4 the price.

I've wanted one of those since I first heard Keltec was designing them.

[LS WHAT ??]

my roommate would be interested in buying if the price is right.

Not for sale yet I haven't even shot it.

[dee]

I go hunting A LOT. A fellow hunter bought one of those 5.7 bullpups. He hit a hog on the shoulder with that thing and one in the ribs. I ended up tracking that hog for 500-600 yards before finding it. It was still alive and pissed, ended up getting charged and killed it with a 45 acp to the head.

The next evening he shot one in the head, so off to tracking I go again. But this time I take my AR -15 with me. At 300 yards I find the hog and it starts running. 50-60 yards down range I hit the hog in the rear quarter and drop it (I gut shot the hog and the bullet exited his chest).

After getting the hog to camp, he went to look where he hit the hog. 2" below the ear and the bullet basically came apart and hit nothing vital.

This is the reason I stand by my piss poor comments on these rounds. A 223 with 60gr nosler partition bullets is Ok for game but the 5.7 SUCKS. The bullets are way too light. Hell most times when I go hunting I use a 308 because with a 223 shot placement is vital

Buddy doesnt hunt with the 5.7 anymore, he comes out with a sks now....I hate those guns too

A 223 with a varmint bullet will yeild the same results, been there done that also have killed plenty with a 17 HMR. Aparently some prctice is needed I've seen pigs run pretty far from a low ear shot with a 7Rem mag and live to chase the original shooter around right in the ear ensures a drop in their tracks. Last I checked I mentioned no such advice on killing pigs with it just that it does what it was designed to do very well, a person stopper.

[dee]

And light bullets generally have good SD? The only 5.7x28 stuff that's ever done anything is the AP stuff that's like trying to find hen's teeth. Even then, it's a novelty.

It's all about the design not just the weight.

The SD of the 40gr stuff is on par with a 9mm projectiles and if you go up a little in weight it just gets better, but I'm not sure what all factory offerings there are for it.

[Dacotua]

It's all about the design not just the weight.

The SD of the 40gr stuff is on par with a 9mm projectiles and if you go up a little in weight it just gets better, but I'm not sure what all factory offerings there are for it.

Its only on par with 9mm FMJ. Once hollow points are used the 9mm performance dominates the 5.7

[Dacotua]

A 223 with a varmint bullet will yeild the same results, been there done that also have killed plenty with a 17 HMR. Aparently some prctice is needed I've seen pigs run pretty far from a low ear shot with a 7Rem mag and live to chase the original shooter around right in the ear ensures a drop in their tracks. Last I checked I mentioned no such advice on killing pigs with it just that it does what it was designed to do very well, a person stopper.

The anatomy of a hog is very similar to a man. If a bullets doesnt do well on a hog its going to have about the sameperformance on a man.

The 5.56 was designed to wound more than kill. The 5.7 just sucks in the stopping power department.

[bigtime22]

Awesome round. Have 2 of them. Green and Black.

[CJ]

The anatomy of a hog is very similar to a man. If a bullets doesnt do well on a hog its going to have about the sameperformance on a man.

The 5.56 was designed to wound more than kill. The 5.7 just sucks in the stopping power department.

Yeah I don't know about that. I've had .30 cal bullets bounce off their head/snout. I don't see that happening with a human. As far as the body it's similar, but they have considerably harder fat deposits which can completely stop bullets at certain angles.

[ThreeFingerPete]

It's all about the design not just the weight.

The SD of the 40gr stuff is on par with a 9mm projectiles and if you go up a little in weight it just gets better, but I'm not sure what all factory offerings there are for it.

Are you saying the sd is not solely dependent on mass and diameter? I will take a heavier bullet with higher energy up to the point that over penetration and diminished energy transfer occurs. Energy delivery is, key.

And fwiw, the fort hood shooter could have killed the same amount of people with almost any decent semi auto pistol

[LS WHAT ??]

I go hunting A LOT. A fellow hunter bought one of those 5.7 bullpups. He hit a hog on the shoulder with that thing and one in the ribs. I ended up tracking that hog for 500-600 yards before finding it. It was still alive and pissed, ended up getting charged and killed it with a 45 acp to the head.

The next evening he shot one in the head, so off to tracking I go again. But this time I take my AR -15 with me. At 300 yards I find the hog and it starts running. 50-60 yards down range I hit the hog in the rear quarter and drop it (I gut shot the hog and the bullet exited his chest).

After getting the hog to camp, he went to look where he hit the hog. 2" below the ear and the bullet basically came apart and hit nothing vital.

This is the reason I stand by my piss poor comments on these rounds. A 223 with 60gr nosler partition bullets is Ok for game but the 5.7 SUCKS. The bullets are way too light. Hell most times when I go hunting I use a 308 because with a 223 shot placement is vital

Buddy doesnt hunt with the 5.7 anymore, he comes out with a sks now....I hate those guns too

Who goes hog hunting with a pistol?

[dee]

Yeah I don't know about that. I've had .30 cal bullets bounce off their head/snout. I don't see that happening with a human. As far as the body it's similar, but they have considerably harder fat deposits which can completely stop bullets at certain angles.

Bone density on wild pigs is considerably higher than human. The same pig that ran off from the 7mag latter took a 357 mag to the head at a very close range and still didn't die but one in the ear solved the problem.

[Dacotua]

Who goes hog hunting with a pistol?

He used the 5.7 bullpup rifle, never said pistol

[dee]

Are you saying the sd is not solely dependent on mass and diameter? I will take a heavier bullet with higher energy up to the point that over penetration and diminished energy transfer occurs. Energy delivery is, key.

And fwiw, the fort hood shooter could have killed the same amount of people with almost any decent semi auto pistol

How much energy transfer is actually being used if over penetration occurs.

[CJ]

Who goes hog hunting with a pistol?

I do. It's all about energy delivery. My .44 magnum will deliver more energy than most hunting rifles. And the advantage is up close and personal I have a much better chance of hitting them. Especially when you're tangled in brush. When it comes to killing shit penetration and projectile diameter are some of the biggest factors. A .44 magnum bullet has the penetration and expansion to drop a pig much quicker than a .308 from 100 yards.

[LS WHAT ??]

I do. It's all about energy delivery. My .44 magnum will deliver more energy than most hunting rifles. And the advantage is up close and personal I have a much better chance of hitting them. Especially when you're tangled in brush. When it comes to killing shit penetration and projectile diameter are some of the biggest factors. A .44 magnum bullet has the penetration and expansion to drop a pig much quicker than a .308 from 100 yards.

good to know, so a 308 rnd is best when it comes to pigs what do you recomend?