Which 10mm?

[scot]

Spent some time away but keep getting pulled back in.

Stuck between Glock 29SF or 20SF or a Colta Delta Elite.

About $400 more for the Delta Elite, but I've had great success with 1911 accuracy more so than glock. Primarily will be for lease carry/shooting hogs in trap/zombies.

I don't shoot much at all, so not concerned with ammo costs and even though some ammo is not the potent, I will reload if I have to make something .357mag+

I have heard negatives on the 1911 failing under 10mm power as well as toting around a full size steel 1911 is substantial. Wouldn't ever get into full on deer hunting with it but while bow hunting I'd like to feel prepared if a another group of 20 pigs came in.

Standard capacity I believe on the 1911 is 10, while the Glock 20 is 15.

What say you.

[motoman]

If you're on a budget, have you ever looked into an EAA Witness?

[Nash B.]

I would feel guilty about taking a Delta Elite out hunting. Not so much a Glock or Witness. For the range, I'd take the Delta Elite, but for what you want, I'd take the Glock 20 or full-size Witness.

[VaderTT]

Spent some time away but keep getting pulled back in.

Stuck between Glock 29SF or 20SF or a Colta Delta Elite.

About $400 more for the Delta Elite, but I've had great success with 1911 accuracy more so than glock. Primarily will be for lease carry/shooting hogs in trap/zombies.

I don't shoot much at all, so not concerned with ammo costs and even though some ammo is not the potent, I will reload if I have to make something .357mag+

I have heard negatives on the 1911 failing under 10mm power as well as toting around a full size steel 1911 is substantial. Wouldn't ever get into full on deer hunting with it but while bow hunting I'd like to feel prepared if a another group of 20 pigs came in.

Standard capacity I believe on the 1911 is 10, while the Glock 20 is 15.

What say you.

10mm would be bad zombie ammo, not to readily available.

If you're on a budget, have you ever looked into an EAA Witness?

I love my new 10mm witness, now I need to start reloading!

[Nash B.]

10mm would be bad zombie ammo, not to readily available.

10mm brass is everywhere, and it uses the same powder and bullets as .40 S&W and the same primers as .45 ACP.

[VaderTT]

10mm brass is everywhere, and it uses the same powder and bullets as .40 S&W and the same primers as .45 ACP.

Reloading during an zombie apocalypse? Although it is my favorite round, I'd try to stick with .22lr, 9mm, .223/5.56. Shit you can get at wallmart.

This is just my thinking.

[Nash B.]

Reload before the apocalypse.

[VaderTT]

Reload before the apocalypse.

Lol, true true! Knowing me, I'd probably procrastinate until people started eating each other.

Must start buying reloading equip.

[CJ]

Spent some time away but keep getting pulled back in.

Stuck between Glock 29SF or 20SF or a Colta Delta Elite.

About $400 more for the Delta Elite, but I've had great success with 1911 accuracy more so than glock. Primarily will be for lease carry/shooting hogs in trap/zombies.

I don't shoot much at all, so not concerned with ammo costs and even though some ammo is not the potent, I will reload if I have to make something .357mag+

I have heard negatives on the 1911 failing under 10mm power as well as toting around a full size steel 1911 is substantial. Wouldn't ever get into full on deer hunting with it but while bow hunting I'd like to feel prepared if a another group of 20 pigs came in.

Standard capacity I believe on the 1911 is 10, while the Glock 20 is 15.

What say you.

I have a delta elite, they are great guns. I know of no one that has ever blown one up. The whole "negatives" is bullshit. I assuming you're talking about "cracked frames." Let me clarify this for you because every jackass in the world latched onto gossip. Colt used their original .45 frame initially for the first few test delta's which were sent out to magazines and other reviewers. They reported back after 4-5k rounds they had a crack by the slide stop lock hole in the slide. It was entirely superficial, so colt just cut off the bridge that was there, and on all delta elites sold (since the dawn of time) they have no bridge where the .45 frames do, it's just a notch cut out, no bridge on the top. No delta that I've ever read about, or seen has ever had a cracked frame, it's all people repeating gossip they don't even understand. It took me about a year of research to finally understand all that shit and I wish I didn't have to do it in the first place. The similarity that all delta frame crack stories have is they come from people who have never owned one, or seen one cracked.

If you're going to get a glock, get a 20, do not get a subcompact. 10mm is pretty useless in short barrels, it doesn't have enough time to burn the powder. Glock 20's are a lot cheaper, and they are very tough - ESPECIALLY with an aftermarket barrel. If this is for hunting, get a 20, a 6" aftermarket hunter barrel, and never look back.

The Witness as mentioned before is one hell of a gun for the money. I would definitely recommend one given it's price. If price is a concern, I'd recommend the witness or glock 20. The witness is good to go out of the box, the glock is best utilized with an aftermarket barrel. They also make hunter versions. 10mm loves the shit out of an extra inch of barrel.

And lastly, the 10mm is the only semi auto cartridge approved for hunting white tail deer in the country. It will easily take down a deer - just in case.

[1985gt]

CJ, I have seen people complain about cracked frames on the 10mm witness. Most said that the guide spring needed to be replaced to avoid that issue. Any thoughts on that?

[CJ]

CJ, I have seen people complain about cracked frames on the 10mm witness. Most said that the guide spring needed to be replaced to avoid that issue. Any thoughts on that?

That was an issue with the earlier witnesses. It's been here and there for a while. I've read all kinds of data on it and from what I've been able to find, the problem may just be from people loading their rounds too hot. Some say it was the older slide that was the problem, some say the newer slide was the issue, and so on. I could never find any consensus as to what it was. What I go by primarily is what my own experience, and other people that I know. There are about a dozen guys on this board that have 10mm witnesses and none of them have had any issues.

As with most any 10mm, you should be very careful with the slide springs, replace them ever 10k rounds (some people say every 2k) because 10mm is very violent.

[Nash B.]

10mm is pretty useless in short barrels, it doesn't have enough time to burn the powder.

I respectfully disagree. I got some retarded velocity out of a Witness Compact, 155 grain XTP, and some Longshot. I'll have to look it up when I get home, if I've still even got that notebook.

That was an issue with the earlier witnesses. It's been here and there for a while. I've read all kinds of data on it and from what I've been able to find, the problem may just be from people loading their rounds too hot. Some say it was the older slide that was the problem, some say the newer slide was the issue, and so on. I could never find any consensus as to what it was. What I go by primarily is what my own experience, and other people that I know. There are about a dozen guys on this board that have 10mm witnesses and none of them have had any issues.

I had an issue with mine, the slide started to crack on the inside, near the muzzle. It had a lot of rounds on it, and EAA replaced it for free, no questions.

[CJ]

I respectfully disagree. I got some retarded velocity out of a Witness Compact, 155 grain XTP, and some Longshot. I'll have to look it up when I get home, if I've still even got that notebook.I had an issue with mine, the slide started to crack on the inside, near the muzzle. It had a lot of rounds on it, and EAA replaced it for free, no questions.

155gr is a pretty short bullet for a 10mm, you can put a lot of fast burning powder behind it. If you're going 10mm you should get your money's worth in the standard weights, like 185gr and 200gr, where the slower burning powders required don't perform well in short barrels. It performs MUCH better than 44 mag, but still not the sweet spot a 5" barrel will give you. What you sacrifice with shorter barrels in 10mm is pretty substantial. I've shot both compact 10mm and full size through my chrono and the differences are pretty substantial.

I personally use 135gr @ 1600fps for my self defense rounds, Just about anything is going to over penetrate in 10mm, and I'd rather have something go off like a bomb inside of someone than over penetrate. I just think if he wants to use this as a side arm for pigs, a compact is not the way to go.

[payne5757]

Glock 21 with Wolff steel guide rod, 22lb spring, G20 mags, and KKM 10mm conversion barrel.

Sent from my Super Schweet G2

[CJ]

I respectfully disagree. I got some retarded velocity out of a Witness Compact, 155 grain XTP, and some Longshot. I'll have to look it up when I get home, if I've still even got that notebook.I had an issue with mine, the slide started to crack on the inside, near the muzzle. It had a lot of rounds on it, and EAA replaced it for free, no questions.

I'm curious, how many rounds did you have though it?