Sig ACP

[bottlerocket]

[ThreeFingerPete]

Pistol caliber sbr? Exciting! At least this kit isnt crappy plastic like most of them.

[bottlerocket]

Pistol caliber sbr? Exciting! At least this kit isnt crappy plastic like most of them.

Seems pretty cool. Just curious how the NFA rules would apply if you wanted to get the LE model and use various pistols with it. Would you then just have to get a separate adapter for each or what? Kinda like you cant just go throw an SBR upper on just any AR lower, it has to be the SBR lower.

[ThreeFingerPete]

Seems pretty cool. Just curious how the NFA rules would apply if you wanted to get the LE model and use various pistols with it. Would you then just have to get a separate adapter for each or what? Kinda like you cant just go throw an SBR upper on just any AR lower, it has to be the SBR lower.

Technically, once a firearm has become a rifle, it stays a rifle to the ATF, IIRC.

[CJ]

Seems pretty cool. Just curious how the NFA rules would apply if you wanted to get the LE model and use various pistols with it. Would you then just have to get a separate adapter for each or what? Kinda like you cant just go throw an SBR upper on just any AR lower, it has to be the SBR lower.

Maybe it would work just like an AR. You can put any SBR upper on a registered SBR lower. So this would essentially serve the purpose as the lower, I presume. However since both carry separate serials things do seem a little questionable.

[red89notch]

From everything I understand with the RONI for glocks the pistol must be the SBR and it has nothing to do with the adapter. Any "pistol" you stick inside of it must be a registered SBR.

[CJ]

From everything I understand with the RONI for glocks the pistol must be the SBR and it has nothing to do with the adapter. Any "pistol" you stick inside of it must be a registered SBR.

well that makes this product DOA.

[bottlerocket]

well that makes this product DOA.

Maybe thats why the one with the stock is considered the "LE" variant whereas the others without the stock are less restrictive. Oh well, badass looking setup regardless

[ThreeFingerPete]

Maybe thats why the one with the stock is considered the "LE" variant whereas the others without the stock are less restrictive. Oh well, badass looking setup regardless

If you put your pistol in the one without the stock, your pistol is still a pistol. Add a stock of any sort and it's now an SBR, permanently.

[John -- '02 HAWK]

If you put your pistol in the one without the stock, your pistol is still a pistol. Add a stock of any sort and it's now an SBR, permanently.

http://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2011-4.pdf

you can make a pistol into a rifle and back again

[ThreeFingerPete]

http://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulin...ing-2011-4.pdf

you can make a pistol into a rifle and back again

If you convert a pistol into an sbr, the receiver of the pistol is now an sbr. Read the last "hence further..." Of your link.

[John -- '02 HAWK]

If you convert a pistol into an sbr, the receiver of the pistol is now an sbr. Read the last "hence further..." Of your link.

are you referring to :

"Held further, a firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(4), is made when a handgun ... is assembled ... from a weapon originally ... produced ... as a rifle. Such weapons must be registered and are subject to all requirements of the NFA."

[ThreeFingerPete]

are you referring to :

"Held further, a firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(4), is made when a handgun ... is assembled ... from a weapon originally ... produced ... as a rifle. Such weapons must be registered and are subject to all requirements of the NFA."

Sorry, I was on my phone and I couldn't copy from the PDF.

Held further, a firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(4), is made when a handgun
or other weapon with an overall length of less than 26 inches, or a barrel or barrels of less
than 16 inches in length, is assembled or produced from a weapon originally assembled or
produced only as a rifle. Such weapons must be registered and are subject to all
requirements of the NFA

which the definition of rifle:

Search 26 U.S.C. § 5845 : US Code - Section 5845: Definitions
(c) Rifle
The term "rifle" means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or
remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or
redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in
a fixed cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled
bore for each single pull of the trigger, and shall include any
such weapon which may be readily restored to fire a fixed
cartridge.

[ThreeFingerPete]

Either way, I'd research heavily before I spent money on a pistol caliber carbine that may or may not have to stay configured as an SBR.

It looks like the rules are shifting as the ATF tries to address the modular nature of todays firearms.

[John -- '02 HAWK]

originally produced as a pistol is a key phrase. If the pistol is removed its still a pistol, a fact that is stated at least twice in the letter. The parts kit with the stock is to be regulated as a SBR.