cough... atf visit...

[futant]

Look I know they hand out search warrants like candy now a days, but that definitely isn't the point.
When / IF they really go get a warrant (which is total mindfuck to understand why they would in this situation) , the warrant must atleast be specific.
Plus the judge must review the reasoning behind it and do his normal rubber stamping.

So there is a difference, the ATF officer MUST substantiate why the search warrant needs to be issued other than 'that guy told me i can't come in'.
There is no substantial reason to issue a search WARRANT.
You guys are just scared of these clowns, and have no respect for your own privacy.
Which you are perfectly entitled to , but don't make up bullshit excuses like that the boogyman ATF will be right back with a entry team.

[David]

Look I know they hand out search warrants like candy now a days, but that definitely isn't the point.
When / IF they really go get a warrant (which is total mindfuck to understand why they would in this situation) , the warrant must atleast be specific.
Plus the judge must review the reasoning behind it and do his normal rubber stamping.

So there is a difference, the ATF officer MUST substantiate why the search warrant needs to be issued other than 'that guy told me i can't come in'.
There is no substantial reason to issue a search WARRANT.
You guys are just scared of these clowns, and have no respect for your own privacy.
Which you are perfectly entitled to , but don't make up bullshit excuses like that the boogyman ATF will be right back with a entry team.

Guess youve never read many PC affidavits. But i have a lawyer 24/7, so I will stand my ground, but it can go anyway and youre an idiot to think other.

[YALE]

Guess youve never read many PC affidavits. But i have a lawyer 24/7, so I will stand my ground, but it can go anyway and youre an idiot to think other.

Dude, he thinks it's like warding off a vampire to tell a cop they can't come in.

[futant]

Guess youve never read many PC affidavits. But i have a lawyer 24/7, so I will stand my ground, but it can go anyway and youre an idiot to think other.

You are correct and it's sad what is called PC now a days. There used to be a time when LEO's took their job seriously and had respect for doing it the right way that they did.

It's still better to make them come up with PC, real or not.
Just letting them in is effin stupid.
At least if the PC is bullshit, you have some sort of legal recourse after they ransacked your house.
Well , at least there is the HOPE of recourse. It's sad that law enforcement can't find the real criminals and instead harass normal buyers of rifles.

[futant]

Dude, he thinks it's like warding off a vampire to tell a cop they can't come in.

so then what are you doing when they come looking for your six lowers?
spreading buttcheek?
Maybe if youre lucky they'll only kick your dog after you let them in for a nice gangbang of your property.

you guys are so scared fo the ATF it's just hilarious really. Just to exercise the rights other people died for in this great land.
Even the ATF expects some people not to just let them in. Yet you guys conjure up all these WHAT IF's when you tell them to come back with a warrant.
Laughable and pathetic all at the same time.

[Nash B.]

So, the extreme scenarios about what might happen if you don't give 100% cooperation are crazy and paranoid, but the extreme scenarios about letting them into your house to go over everything with a fine-tooth comb is totally logical and completely justified. Got it.

[futant]

So, the extreme scenarios about what might happen if you don't give 100% cooperation are crazy and paranoid, but the extreme scenarios about letting them into your house to go over everything with a fine-tooth comb is totally logical and completely justified. Got it.

Close. It's about giving them permission to fuck you.
Mostly that you don't have to, and that is your right unless you surrender it stupidly.

but apparently everyone on here is scared to do it.
got it?

So you guys seriously just let every cop that asks to search your car too? See how that has gained popularity? It's because of stupid ppl. I don't feel the ppl here are stupid, cause some of you know this.
So does that just make yall cowards against a helpless ATF agent ?
THERE IS NO RIGHT FOR ATF TO SHOW UP. what is so hard to understand?

[John -- '02 HAWK]

you know there is a better way than saying get a warrant. Its a as simple as saying my house is dirty so why dont yall wait out here and I'll go grab the items in question and bring them out to you.

I see this this as a lot different than a traffic cop asking do a search

[YALE]

Close. It's about giving them permission to fuck you.
Mostly that you don't have to, and that is your right unless you surrender it stupidly.

but apparently everyone on here is scared to do it.
got it?

So you guys seriously just let every cop that asks to search your car too? See how that has gained popularity? It's because of stupid ppl. I don't feel the ppl here are stupid, cause some of you know this.
So does that just make yall cowards against a helpless ATF agent ?
THERE IS NO RIGHT FOR ATF TO SHOW UP. what is so hard to understand?

You're reading a lot into our responses. Are you sure you're mentally fit to own a firearm?