cough... atf visit...

[ceyko]

Hell, ain't it like a year since that group buy or 6 months. The ATF sure is johnny on the spot.

[David]

I assumed he meant if you were an FFL.

Of course if youre an ffl the rules are different. But i doubt all these people claiming knocks on doors are ffls.

Either way dealer or not, you still have constitutional rights.

[likeitfast55]

I agree with Futant on so many levels.

The right to own and bare arms is for protection -- from who --- Government! This is why the Government (early years) feared the people! They had no idea who was armed and what they were armed with! These days are over if we let them inventory every piece of ammo we have!

[CJ]

No you dont. No where in the nfa or any form do you waive your 4th amendment right.

I assumed he meant if you were an FFL.

[David]

If you are a class III guy you have to let the ATF in at any time no matter what. Sucks, but that is the price you pay.

No you dont. No where in the nfa or any form do you waive your 4th amendment right.

[WildBill]

I understand what he was saying, but telling them to fuck off with out a warrant will raise red flags and make life harder than it needs to be......

No..........It makes them do their job PROPERLY.

[Rick Modena]

Fuck the ATF, fuck the Plano Police dept and fuck the Diaz brother too!

I'm not group buying, im not attending any build gtg or range gtg. I told you guys already too many cops, snitches and narcs on this site.

[motoman]

What BCG and upper did you go with? I was thinking of this for the upper

http://www.dsarms.com/DSA-ZM4-A3-Upp.../DSZM4CBUPARK/

I went with this upper

http://www.dsarms.com/DSA-ZM4-A3-Upper-Receiver-16-Barrel-Mid-Length-HG---DSZM4CBUMID/productinfo/DSZM4CBUMID/

And I got a used Del-Ton bcg and charging handle for $50.

[pr1042]

$550 into my build. Only thing you don't see pictures is my Yankee Hill BUIS. I could have kept it at $500 had I chosen a less expensive BUIS.

What BCG and upper did you go with? I was thinking of this for the upper

http://www.dsarms.com/DSA-ZM4-A3-Upper-Receiver-With-16-Barrel--PARKED--M4---DSZM4CBUPARK/productinfo/DSZM4CBUPARK/

[onemeangixxer7502]

especially if you plan to get something that requires paperwork that has to go back through them

yah which sucks, all i know is shit rolls down hill.....

[futant]

If you are a class III guy you have to let the ATF in at any time no matter what. Sucks, but that is the price you pay.

good point, sorry I missed that one.

Look I totally understand not making your life more difficult than necessary but CJ is spot on here. The problem is this is just like the police ASKing to search your vehicle.
You have nothing to hide right ?
They are on a search to find something to charge people with to necessitate their own jobs.
If he just wanted to ask a few questions I would cooperate fully, up until he asks me questions he has no legal authority asking me (which i might add is virtually everything he asks any way)

In no way would I ever let them see my guns. This shit happens ALL THE TIME to law abiding citizens apparently living in a world where there are more coppers than criminals.
They come in , they scatter your shit everywhere. They find something trivial to charge you with and bam you are out 10K$ defending yourself in court to be free. ALL because YOU were stupid enough to GIVE THEM PERMISSION TO SEARCH YOU / YOUR PREMISES.

It's horrible, and they do it everyday sleeping soundly that they 'did their job'.
COMICAL huh?

[John -- '02 HAWK]

make life harder than it needs to be

especially if you plan to get something that requires paperwork that has to go back through them

[motoman]

I agree on principle, but I'm aware of what they're capable of, and some of the things they've done in the past. If answering a few questions I don't have to answer is all it takes to keep them from giving me a hard time, I'll answer their questions.

I was just thinking this myself.

[onemeangixxer7502]

I don't disagree with that, but I think we can both understand why one would do that.

Oh yah, I totally agree.It'd be nice to tell them to talk a walk buuuut.

[CJ]

If you are a class III guy you have to let the ATF in at any time no matter what. Sucks, but that is the price you pay.

yep.