National Carry License

[slowyellow]

Anybody following this? Not really a national carry license, but with one valid state carry license you could carry in all others that allow CHL's.

http://www.gop.gov/bill/112/1/hr822

[whitetrash]

i think most states with chl's accept ours when traveling

[Nash B.]

http://www.dfwmustangs.net/forums/showthread.php?t=20619

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Guess I missed that one.

[GhostTX]

Passed the House.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/16/house-to-vote-on-concealed-firearm-permit-bill/?test=latestnews

[FastFox]

Better watch this. Is this the first move to come up with a NATIONAL FEDERAL hand gun carry license ? Wouldn't that just give the feds a complete list of all with a license ? They could match your carry license to your IRS file and the national health care plan list. It in my opinion would then make it easy to say that if you carry, there will be a federal tax. They might even deny you health care if you carry a gun. I just think it is just one more move to get rid of guns in the hands of private law abiding citizens. I hope I am wrong.

[GhostTX]

Better watch this. Is this the first move to come up with a NATIONAL FEDERAL hand gun carry license ? Wouldn't that just give the feds a complete list of all with a license ? They could match your carry license to your IRS file and the national health care plan list. It in my opinion would then make it easy to say that if you carry, there will be a federal tax. They might even deny you health care if you carry a gun. I just think it is just one more move to get rid of guns in the hands of private law abiding citizens. I hope I am wrong.

No, it's not a federal license. All it does is say if you have a CHL in one state, you're allowed to use it in another state that has CHL. For example, right now a TX CHL is good in OK, PA, MO, etc, but not good in NV or CA despite the fact that both of those states allow CHL. You still have to get a CHL in your state of residence and you cannot get an out of state CHL to use in your state of residence. All this law does it get rid of all the reciprocity rules in place. You still couldn't carry in IL because it doesn't allow CHL.

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=7147

[The King]

I would prefer to leave this up to the individual states to determine if their own standards are met by another state before granting reciprocity.

[bottlerocket]

I would prefer to leave this up to the individual states to determine if their own standards are met by another state before granting reciprocity.

But what about the states that have no carry laws?

[The King]

But what about the states that have no carry laws?

This proposal wouldn't apply to those states anyway, since it only includes those that do have concealed carry laws. The ones that choose to not allowed concealed carry, though I don't agree with them, should keep that authority in my opinion.

[YALE]

The Senate won't pass it.

[Venix]

The Senate won't pass it.

Thats hard to say. If you look at the map of CHL reciprocity it shows that most states are cool with each other. So if Cali, NV, NY, and a few other states are against it, that is only a few votes (2 for each).

It would damn sure be nice to stick it to the Californians...even though I would still not carry there. Asking for trouble really.

[Chopped54]

This is from am email I received this morning from the National Association for Gun Rights. They are afraid of what may happen in the future.


Not only was H.R. 822 -- the Trojan horse gun control bill -- passed out of the House of Representatives this evening, it was passed with an amendment that would open the door to federal biometric requirements for concealed firearms permits and a federally-administered database of all permit holders.

Only 7 Republican Members of Congress stood against federal overreach in the concealed carry process by opposing this bill (you can see how your Representative voted here: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll852.xml).

The bill was amended this afternoon by ostensibly “pro-gun” Republicans to require a study be done on the ability of law enforcement officers to verify the validity of out-of-state concealed firearm permits.

You and I both know what this means. A year from now, the study will come back stating that the only way to “verify” out-of-state permits is through federally-mandated biometric requirements for concealed firearm permits and Congress “must” create a nationally administered database of all concealed weapon permit holders.

One of my biggest concerns about this bill -- the lists of gun owners a permit process creates -- should send shivers down your spine: Imagine Eric Holder and the BATFE with a national database of concealed carry permit holders.

It’s bad enough to have those lists exist at a state level. Once Eric Holder and his cronies find a way to request that list from a state, they’ll do it -- all the in the name of “implementing H.R. 822.”

The legislation now moves to the Harry Reid-run Senate, where companion legislation is expected to be introduced in the coming days. I have no doubt that the anti-gunners in the Senate will use this as an opportunity to make H.R. 822 even worse.

What troubles me most about this battle is the institutional gun lobby has been leading the charge for this legislation. In fact, they’ve been brow-beating Members of Congress who dare to question the consequences of passing such a broad, overreaching piece of legislation.

Republican Congressman Justin Amash (MI-03) fought back against the institutional gun lobby for its support of H.R. 822:


"It's remarkably bold of the National Rifle Association to send out false and misleading messages regarding H R 822, an unconstitutional bill that improperly applies the Commerce Clause to concealed carry licensing. I would support legislation that gets the federal government out of the way of states that want to recognize other states' concealed carry permits. In contrast, H R 822 will hurt gun rights by conceding broad new authority to the federal government to override state sovereignty.

Gun rights advocates have fought hard to prevent liberal abuse of the Commerce Clause that would restrict gun rights... I am disappointed that the NRA has decided to put its own interests ahead of the interests of gun owners. Fortunately, many other gun rights groups rightly oppose H R 822."


Please call your Senator at (202) 224-3121 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting (202) 224-3121 end_of_the_skype_highlighting and tell them you want to keep the government’s hands off your permit and that you oppose federal intrusion into the concealed weapons permit process.

Thank you for taking action to keep the federal government out of the concealed firearms permit system.

For Freedom,


Dudley Brown
Executive Director

[Venix]

So its one of those "who's telling the truth" deals again. Is it that the feds want to have gun control, or that pro gun people want the right to carry in all states?

[ThreeFingerPete]

So its one of those "who's telling the truth" deals again. Is it that the feds want to have gun control, or that pro gun people want the right to carry in all states?

It's smoke and mirrors. Give the people something that sounds good, but quietly piggyback something on there that would never fly alone.