A little help with SBR explination

[bottlerocket]

So I was reading the last issue of American Rifleman and they had an article about the Rossi Ranch Hand lever rifle. It is a 12" barrel and apparently does not require a tax stamp or any other paperwork (approval or trust) to purchase since it is manufactured as a pistol. Yet it comes with a stock attached. How is this worked around? Is it because its not a semi-auto?

[Venix]

I believe the law on pistols is 10'' as defined by the NFA. I could be wrong, but that was the last one that I saw.

[NTexas_V-Star]

I believe the law on pistols is 10'' as defined by the NFA. I could be wrong, but that was the last one that I saw.

I think you're right.

[ThreeFingerPete]

So I was reading the last issue of American Rifleman and they had an article about the Rossi Ranch Hand lever rifle. It is a 12" barrel and apparently does not require a tax stamp or any other paperwork (approval or trust) to purchase since it is manufactured as a pistol. Yet it comes with a stock attached. How is this worked around? Is it because its not a semi-auto?

The stock is the "grip" and would not be used to fire from the shoulder.

[futant]

I don't think there is any 10" law, where does that come from ?

i wanted to order one of these draco bullpup kits, but it seems they've sold out....
shit. Can say i care right now since i have two gun projects already going. Should finish them out like I want, then start this thing up next year i guess.

http://www.cbrps.com/Products.html

this is also considered a pistol.

Just to be fair, I am not saying you should skirt the SBR law. After reading many boards on line, it is fair to say this is a tossup in legality at best. The ATF has sent many letters saying whether a certain stock is legal or not as a pistol, but many people say the letters themselves are virtually worthless and not a legal defense. So many people have said it is hypothetically possible you could be charged with a crime with ANY pistol that can be shouldered. I also don't quite agree with that liberal of an interpretation though as many have those AR pistols with buffer tubes on the rear as well and I'm not aware of any one arrested shooting these.

Point is that it is a fine line you walk when going down this road, some people even claiming that they could use 'constructive intent ' to charge someone even if you are in possession of a 'foward grip' or 'stock' , which could naturally be many things you might own as a gun owner for an accessory IMO.

[bottlerocket]

The stock is the "grip" and would not be used to fire from the shoulder.

I thought I remember someone on here a while back putting a shorter barrel on a 10/22. Is that just because it was manufactured as a rifle and not a pistol that it requires a tax stamp?

Thanks for the clarification though.

[CJ]

I thought I remember someone on here a while back putting a shorter barrel on a 10/22. Is that just because it was manufactured as a rifle and not a pistol that it requires a tax stamp?

Thanks for the clarification though.

anything less than a 16" barrel requires a tax stamp. If it has a pistol receiver (like a 10/22 charger) it can have a shorter barrel without a tax stamp, it just cannot have a stock. I put up a post with a 10.5" barrel, but it has a permanent 5.5" cage around the suppressor which extended it to 16" total OAL. There has been some discussion whether or not a foregrip (like an MP5 PDW) is legal with a pistol. Traditionally it has been illegal, however some people believe it's legal, and have some ATF memos to prove their thoughts. I'd ask Alex about that one.

[LANTIRN]

I'd be very careful attempting to skirt that law just because of the jail time if the ATF decided to be dicks about anything (not that they would since they are such a great bunch of Constitution loving individuals...). I know if you have a pistol that can have a stock attached to it and you have the stock, even if it is not attached, you could be looking at jail time. However a 10/22 pistol which does not have a stock is good. It's pretty fucked up they way they have twisted everything, and really you could very well get yourself in trouble not even realizing you did anything wrong. Hell there was a guy not long ago that was arrested because his AR broke and fired 2 shots with one trigger pull. He stopped shooting immediately, took it apart, saw it was broke, put it away to fix it later and still got in trouble. But that is not because the ATF are assholes are anything....

[Bassics]

I see a lot of the mare's leg stuff these days, I think it is just an extension of the general trend to build and market certain semi-autos as pistols, legally.

It seems now that certain states have really draconian exclusions, the sane portion of the country moves along quite well.

As for a mare's leg rifle, a few thoughts come to mind:
1) If it ain't 45-70 and acompanied by a gunbelt with ammo loops all around you are doin it wrong...
2) In theory you could fashion a shoulder recoil pad that made up for the short stock, and that might work out...
3) 10" barrel is probably better suited to a 10" platform, like a wheelgun with modern ergonomics, or a TC or XP. In a "pistol" caliber it gains a little bit, but in a "rifle" caliber it would be a real waste most of the time.
4) All that being said, everyone should have a few just for the coolness factor.

[Bassics]

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[slow06]

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Tactical lever-Action? Haha.

I feel like I am only 1 or 2 range trips away from seeing one of these at Alpine.