HK contract

[John -- '02 HAWK]

So somebody is thinking along same lines as myself

You get 3 M27′s per squad PLUS thier keeping the 1 SAW per squad

[Brandon-k]

How does one effectively carry 22 magazines in battle?

HSGI Wasatch (12mags) - 5 Double stacked TACO's on a suregrip molle belt (10 mags)

Still...not at all practical. But it can be done.

They shouldn't try to fix something that isn't broken. Our government could fuck up a wet dream.

[bottlerocket]

I believe the rifle can only fire from a closed bolt.

Either you're wrong or HK did not meet the US's contract to provide a replacement for the M249. The ability to fire from either closed or open bolt was one of the specifications.

[Moose242]

Either you're wrong or HK did not meet the US's contract to provide a replacement for the M249. The ability to fire from either closed or open bolt was one of the specifications.

I just ran a bunch of searches, and yes this rifle only fires from a closed bolt.

[John -- '02 HAWK]

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2011/06/marine-m27-infantry-automatic-rifle-062911w/

"IAR-prompted changes

Already, the IAR has triggered a debate over marksmanship training and what a unit can take to war.

In one example, Marine officials at the 2011 Combat Marksmanship Symposium recommended the IAR be banned from rifle qualifications, even for the automatic riflemen who take it downrange. While there was some dissent, marksmanship officials ultimately recommended to make all Marines qualify with either the M4 carbine or M16A4 rifle, negating an advantage the IAR’s free-floating barrel may have offered.

Adoption of the IAR also has led Marine units to collect modern polymer magazines from Marines, to prevent them from taking the popular “PMAGs” downrange. Polymer magazines won’t insert all the way into an IAR, potentially creating problems for Marines who toss ammo to one another during a firefight, two Marine gunners said.

Individual units are still allowed to order PMAGs and other 5.56mm ammo once they receive budgets 180 days before deployments. But because only standard-issue magazines are authorized with the IAR, Marine commanders are deciding that PMAGs aren’t worth the hassle.

“There’s an extra piece of plastic in the way,” one Marine gunner said of the PMAGs. “It works just fine in the M16A4, but not in the IAR.”

Standard-issue magazines, rolled out by the Army in 2009 and 2010, will likely be used instead. Identifiable by their tan follower, they have better reliability and fewer stoppages than older standard-issue magazines, which have green and black followers. Some green followers are still in the operating forces, but service members are urged to turn in black follower magazines, the oldest of the three, to their units."

[Moose242]

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news...rifle-062911w/

"IAR-prompted changes

Already, the IAR has triggered a debate over marksmanship training and what a unit can take to war.

In one example, Marine officials at the 2011 Combat Marksmanship Symposium recommended the IAR be banned from rifle qualifications, even for the automatic riflemen who take it downrange. While there was some dissent, marksmanship officials ultimately recommended to make all Marines qualify with either the M4 carbine or M16A4 rifle, negating an advantage the IAR’s free-floating barrel may have offered.

Adoption of the IAR also has led Marine units to collect modern polymer magazines from Marines, to prevent them from taking the popular “PMAGs” downrange. Polymer magazines won’t insert all the way into an IAR, potentially creating problems for Marines who toss ammo to one another during a firefight, two Marine gunners said.

Individual units are still allowed to order PMAGs and other 5.56mm ammo once they receive budgets 180 days before deployments. But because only standard-issue magazines are authorized with the IAR, Marine commanders are deciding that PMAGs aren’t worth the hassle.

“There’s an extra piece of plastic in the way,” one Marine gunner said of the PMAGs. “It works just fine in the M16A4, but not in the IAR.”

Standard-issue magazines, rolled out by the Army in 2009 and 2010, will likely be used instead. Identifiable by their tan follower, they have better reliability and fewer stoppages than older standard-issue magazines, which have green and black followers. Some green followers are still in the operating forces, but service members are urged to turn in black follower magazines, the oldest of the three, to their units."

Magpul designed the "EMAG" to work with European rifles such as the HK416, L85/SA80, F2000, ARX, SCAR, etc.

[Dacotua]

Marines are going to raid US Army armorers for saws and m60's or theyll use the M240s

[ALLAN]

The whole not taking P-mags things sucks

[Moose242]

The whole not taking P-mags things sucks

IMO, this whole situation sucks.... and this is coming from an HK fanboy.

[ALLAN]

But to be fair I think HK started this thing before the P-mag was on the table.

[bottlerocket]

I just ran a bunch of searches, and yes this rifle only fires from a closed bolt.

Yep, its competitor (the FN HAMR) had the closed bolt that would auto-switch to open bolt function when the gun started to get hot from full auto firing. Can't believe it lost. Probably just for standardization's sake to make everything feel the same...

[futant]

30 round mags on auto huh?
not that bright of an idea.
a 5 year playing a video game could tell you that in 5 minutes!

[ceyko]

1. In my opinion for a weapon like that it should have some weight on it.

2. M249 operators seemed to move just fine for me, it's just a matter of training with it.

3. I really don't see this being an M249 replacement as much as an M16/M4 replacement.

4. I was really hoping to see it using 6.8, see if we can start getting a surplus of that ammo in 10 years.

5. I'd rather see an American based company supplying these, although HK probably did their job better. Hard to say with politics.

6. I really hope they get more than 30 round magazines. At least 100 round drum of some sort.

[Ratt]

Yep, its competitor (the FN HAMR) had the closed bolt that would auto-switch to open bolt function when the gun started to get hot from full auto firing. Can't believe it lost. Probably just for standardization's sake to make everything feel the same...

Thing looks like a beast in this trim:

[slowyellow]

Thing looks like a beast in this trim:

Yeah, good thing the mags add the weight savings right back onto the gun.