HK contract

[Ratt]

So, the M16A2 and the standard M4 are 3 round burst to reduce the "spray & pray" and yet there's now going to be 1 out of 4 that will get that option back. Sounds like they are regressing, albeit with a higher quality weapon. I wonder just how much end-user input went into this change. I'm going to guess close to zero.

Sounds like the story my boss told me about when they finally made his Marine unit switch from the 1911 to the Beretta M9. Nobody wanted it, and when they finally got one in their hands, they hated it more still.

[bottlerocket]

IIRC, the major difference between that rifle and the M4/M16 is that it can fire from either closed or open bolt. So to prevent overheating and keep performance similar to the SAW it can run open bolt. Or it can be switched to closed bolt.

[Cooter]

So, the M16A2 and the standard M4 are 3 round burst to reduce the "spray & pray" and yet there's now going to be 1 out of 4 that will get that option back. Sounds like they are regressing, albeit with a higher quality weapon. I wonder just how much end-user input went into this change. I'm going to guess close to zero.

yup, sounds like mobnies driven vs. user driven for sure

[bottlerocket]

the fuck? How do you suppress an enemy with 5-10 second delays? How is this new rifle any different from any M16 issued? "Yeah, I'll take the 11.62lb M16, please."

11.62 pounds weapon with ancillary equipment

Sounds to me like that includes the ammo loadout as well.

[CJ]

Sounds to me like that includes the ammo loadout as well.

It better not, 5lbs of ammo, LOL.

[CJ]

Sounds to me like that includes the ammo loadout as well.

That's about 150 rounds.

[futant]

so basically theyre just going to stick a beta mag in it ?
there is no way it is issued with 30 rd mags , get real.
IMO, this seems like a good replacement for the SAW.
How much does the saw weigh? that shits heavy . 12 pounds , I could at least realistically carry that rifle and run. You get like a 20+ lb gun , and I just don't see how your doing anything that damn fast.
If you really want a useful suppressive weapon, fuck 5.56, you need 7.62 any way!

[CJ]

so basically theyre just going to stick a beta mag in it ?
there is no way it is issued with 30 rd mags , get real.
IMO, this seems like a good replacement for the SAW.
How much does the saw weigh? that shits heavy . 12 pounds , I could at least realistically carry that rifle and run. You get like a 20+ lb gun , and I just don't see how your doing anything that damn fast.
If you really want a useful suppressive weapon, fuck 5.56, you need 7.62 any way!

Animal mother had no problem with the M60 when running. I use this as my benchmark for all machine gunners.

[Jose]

Lots of good info in the link below (sorry it's a cached link since I can't view it directly here at work).

Link

[Moose242]

IIRC, the major difference between that rifle and the M4/M16 is that it can fire from either closed or open bolt. So to prevent overheating and keep performance similar to the SAW it can run open bolt. Or it can be switched to closed bolt.

I believe the rifle can only fire from a closed bolt.

It better not, 5lbs of ammo, LOL.

"M27 gunners will be equipped with around 22 of the 30-round magazines already in use with the M16 and M4 Carbine. Twenty-two magazines will approximate the prescribed individual combat load of a M249 SAW gunner..."


Holy chit, that's alot of clipazines. I feel like our government has just made a horrible decision.

[ThreeFingerPete]

I believe the rifle can only fire from a closed bolt.



"M27 gunners will be equipped with around 22 of the 30-round magazines already in use with the M16 and M4 Carbine. Twenty-two magazines will approximate the prescribed individual combat load of a M249 SAW gunner..."


Holy chit, that's alot of clipazines. I feel like our government has just made a horrible decision.

How does one effectively carry 22 magazines in battle?

[Ratt]

How does one effectively carry 22 magazines in battle?

Good question.

[ThreeFingerPete]

Good question.

Don't worry, I'm sure the government has a brilliant solution.

[CJ]

I believe the rifle can only fire from a closed bolt.



"M27 gunners will be equipped with around 22 of the 30-round magazines already in use with the M16 and M4 Carbine. Twenty-two magazines will approximate the prescribed individual combat load of a M249 SAW gunner..."


Holy chit, that's alot of clipazines. I feel like our government has just made a horrible decision.

okay, well heres how I do that math

1 .223 case is 100grains, 62gr M855 projectile, 25gr WCC-844 powder, so that's 187gr per round, or 5610gr per magazine, and magazine weight of 5.8oz (2,538gr) for a grand total of 8148gr per magazine which is 1.20lbs, so 22 magazines will weigh 26.4lbs. I do not think 30 links weigh 5.8 ounces, so it seems this weighs more, takes the soldier out of the fight, and lowers suppression.

[Venix]

22 mags!!!! WTF? Think about having to do 22 reloads in the heat of battle. I bet that the soldiers start breaking the guns to get their old ones back.