AR Vs. AK

[gat0r]

OP-
both platforms have their place. each have their own advantages & disadvantages

better yet, 3 ?'s for you...
-what is intended use?
-what are your expectations?
-what is your budget?

[GAP]

The M1 Abrams tank could use its coax to decimate hordes of neckbeards while the crew was drinking coffee and reading Playboy. You could fire whatever you have at it for hours and it wouldn't do shit.

Unless you have some artillery or a tank of your own, its hopeless.

Fine, i'll just learn how to fly, and then steal a Warthog

[Moose242]

Fine, i'll just learn how to fly, and then steal a Warthog

That would do the trick!

[Snatch Napkin]

The addition of wood ashes would allow you to clean an AR.

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A little addition to this snippet of awesome information.

[YALE]

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You, sir, are a funny guy.

[Moose242]

http://candleandsoap.about.com/od/so...Wood-Ashes.htm


A little addition to this snippet of awesome information.

[YALE]

I lied.

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[Snatch Napkin]

"We don't kill the living!!"


It's all these damn zombies that neat to be thinned out.

[03trubluGT]

Why do you have 5 AR's?

Because it was the first semi-auto I shot (my older friends had them) and then I went into the Marines. Guess what the Marines was using at that time?

M16A1s and M16A2s.

The AR/M16 platform is ingrained in me.

[03trubluGT]

Reading this topic makes me think all of you have been playing too many first person shooter video games.

WTSHTF if you run out in the street with an AK and a 75 round drum to play rambo, sure you may take down a lot of people but you will end up dead and then someone else will have your precious AK.

Survival isn't about killing the most people up close and personal, it is about never being found.

Think sniper.... You want to be able to reach out and dispose of someone and then get hidden in a new location. That will be the only way to survive if the SHTF.

Ever get shot in a first person shooter? Well WTSHTF you won't get a new life so easily.

Like I said if you are going to war with a big army of idiots, then you need AKs. Outside of that.... they make fun to own rifles but it isn't a survival rifle at all.

How long were you in the service, and what branch?

[03trubluGT]

I honestly believe an ar15 is a better survival weapon. The only thing you can argue about an AK is after 15k rounds, its more reliable. And its second to the AR in every other category. I'm of the opinion that AK's reputation far far exceeds reality.

If the almighty AR was as good as it's reputation, we wouldn't have had to keep the dust cover closed and condoms on the barrel while I was in Desert Storm.

Sand LOVES to infiltrate the AR and make stoppages.

[03trubluGT]

There are always open areas. You aren't nearly as safe as you would like to think anywhere, which is why keeping your head down and not playing rambo is going to be the only way to last it out WTSHTF.

The stopping power of a 7.62 does outweigh a .223. But a 6.8 has the same stopping power. A 308 and 30-06 have a lot more stopping power. And both can be used from a much further distance.

Former military doesn't mean jack and neither does being an LEO. I've seen plenty of guys panic and run when something bad happens. They were in the military too. A lot of people just freeze up. That's another reason why an AK with 75 rounds isn't much other than a heavy toy to play with at the range.

Heck in WWII, most Russian troops never got off more than 5 rounds before they were dead in Stalingrad. Survival is about staying alive not about killing everyone else. You start bustin' caps in everyone you'll end up dead too and fast.

A saw a Dallas LEO stopping speeders in a school zone while a panhandler worked the same corner. Being an LEO is about revenue generation and protecting the government from the citizens. Being former military you should know that.

You can commit crimes all you want if you can't pay. Just ask any panhandler or prostitute.

I don't consider stopping middle class Americans on their daily business and giving them silly citations to generate revenue to be a dangerous job, nor do I consider it keeping anyone safe. It's just a job. And if you don't generate enough revenue then you won't have a job just like any other job.

Next thing I'll be reading how the TSA should have AKs with 75 round drums so they can keep the public safe next time that poor young lady doesn't want her breast milk irradiated too.

Do you honestly think you with an AK in your country locale has any chance of fending off a hungry, stupid (and I mean dumb), pillaging, murderous armed horde once TSHTF? Really? Because if you do, you need to put down the Kool Aid and start making movies, because that's the stuff of hollywood drama.

Sure you could take out a few of them, maybe a bunch of them, but you won't get them all. The harder you fight the more they will think you are worth killing to get your stash.

Mobility..... mobility, stealth and the ability to disappear will be the real keys to survival once TSHTF.

I know you are invincible though, and since you are bulletproof, can always hit someone in whichever eye you want with your AK at 100 yards, and you can probably kill at least 200 zombies with one 75 round drum all while puffing your stoagie, I am done with this conversation.

Heck I can't blame you though. If you didn't think you were bulletproof and invincible you'd probably pick a different line of work.

I though am a mortal man, so I obviously will never be able to convince you that there is a very slim real chance you too might be mortal.

Why is it when I read your post I see you as the fat kid dressed up in battle gear?

You are clueless.

[CJ]

If the almighty AR was as good as it's reputation, we wouldn't have had to keep the dust cover closed and condoms on the barrel while I was in Desert Storm.

Sand LOVES to infiltrate the AR and make stoppages.

The AR doesn't have a reputation outside of apparently needing to be cleaned after every 10 rounds. The AK is the one with the reputation of being indestructible.

[CJ]

I can't say I was in desert storm, bit I've had the finest sand covered inside and out of an AR that was easily 2-3k rounds deep without a cleaning and never had any issues.

[Moose242]

I can't say I was in desert storm, bit I've had the finest sand covered inside and out of an AR that was easily 2-3k rounds deep without a cleaning and never had any issues.

This AR still worked after 15,000 rounds and no cleaning-