AR Vs. AK

[Denny]

lol

[YALE]

These threads are always interesting, the different opinions, facts and sometimes bullshit.

I think we'll all be shooting whatever we can and have ammo for...

Personally, if I had an AR, I'd shoot the AR. I know with iron sights you can hit targets fairly accurately over a fairly long distance. My end of the world gun(s) would not have any scopes.

No love for the ACOG?

[Pewter Y2K Z28]

For civillian use which one is better?

reliable, durability, ammo price availability

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Based on this I would go AK

[AnthonyS]

Reading this topic makes me think all of you have been playing too many first person shooter video games.

WTSHTF if you run out in the street with an AK and a 75 round drum to play rambo, sure you may take down a lot of people but you will end up dead and then someone else will have your precious AK.

Survival isn't about killing the most people up close and personal, it is about never being found.

Think sniper.... You want to be able to reach out and dispose of someone and then get hidden in a new location. That will be the only way to survive if the SHTF.

Ever get shot in a first person shooter? Well WTSHTF you won't get a new life so easily.

Like I said if you are going to war with a big army of idiots, then you need AKs. Outside of that.... they make fun to own rifles but it isn't a survival rifle at all.

[AnthonyS]

No love for the ACOG?

Only if that ACOG is a tritium one that not one of those fake ones that needs batteries.

Sure I have a battery powered optic on my AR, but I also have tritium filled iron sights that can be used.

If you buy into this thread though, you need an AK with a 75 round drum, a bipod, a PRS stock, side mounted laser, a bayonet, a 2 candle power LED light on it, and a Rambo knife so you can stitch up your bad ass after you kill all the infidels.

[Machx2]

Reading this topic makes me think all of you have been playing too many first person shooter video games.

WTSHTF if you run out in the street with an AK and a 75 round drum to play rambo, sure you may take down a lot of people but you will end up dead and then someone else will have your precious AK.

Survival isn't about killing the most people up close and personal, it is about never being found.

Think sniper.... You want to be able to reach out and dispose of someone and then get hidden in a new location. That will be the only way to survive if the SHTF.

Ever get shot in a first person shooter? Well WTSHTF you won't get a new life so easily.

Like I said if you are going to war with a big army of idiots, then you need AKs. Outside of that.... they make fun to own rifles but it isn't a survival rifle at all.

Sorry I am still Loling at this. We do live in texas, I live in the country, and there isnt much 100yrd open areas. A sniper rifle is almost useless for a wtshtf senario unless you are hunting food. How is having an ak with a 75rnd drum a video game? It is a survival rifle, so would an ar. You can do anything with them if need be. If you ask me, you and your sniper rifle are in your little video game. Hiding may be your way of life.... But I would stand ground on my fam's farm.

[Machx2]

Only if that ACOG is a tritium one that not one of those fake ones that needs batteries.

Sure I have a battery powered optic on my AR, but I also have tritium filled iron sights that can be used.

If you buy into this thread though, you need an AK with a 75 round drum, a bipod, a PRS stock, side mounted laser, a bayonet, a 2 candle power LED light on it, and a Rambo knife so you can stitch up your bad ass after you kill all the infidels.

You don't "need" a 75rnd drum. I only have one to be honest. And it would only be on the gun if need be. Sounds like you are getting a little butt hurt that the ak is a better survival weapon....

[CJ]

I honestly believe an ar15 is a better survival weapon. The only thing you can argue about an AK is after 15k rounds, its more reliable. And its second to the AR in every other category. I'm of the opinion that AK's reputation far far exceeds reality.

[CJ]

Ak's believe it or not, Jam no if and or buts. By the power of the Kremlin, it took a hammer, a sickle and the manpower equal to that of a remote soviet village to pry my AK to work again.

agreed. I've never had any failure in an AR that couldn't be cleared in one motion. AK's on the other hand jam like a motherfucker. I have NEVER seen jams like I've seen on AK's. Not saying either jam more than the other. But when they do..

[Machx2]

I honestly believe an ar15 is a better survival weapon. The only thing you can argue about an AK is after 15k rounds, its more reliable. And its second to the AR in every other category. I'm of the opinion that AK's reputation far far exceeds reality.

I am not arguing either is better. Just my opinion on which I would grab first. Never said I wouldn't throw the ar on my back I am just messing with him because he takes it so personally

[Machx2]

agreed. I've never had any failure in an AR that couldn't be cleared in one motion. AK's on the other hand jam like a motherfucker. I have NEVER seen jams like I've seen on AK's. Not saying either jam more than the other. But when they do..

I have only had my ak ftf 1 time out of about 8k rounds. I have had my current ar (colt) for 1 month and about 500rnd down the pipe and have jam (casing got stuck in barrel and didnt want to come out, winchester ammo). It comes down to what you want really. Saying aks jam more than ars is just hogwash.

[CJ]

I have only had my ak ftf 1 time out of about 8k rounds. I have had my current ar (colt) for 1 month and about 500rnd down the pipe and have jam (casing got stuck in barrel and didnt want to come out, winchester ammo). It comes down to what you want really. Saying aks jam more than ars is just hogwash.

I never said (and intentionally said otherwise) that either was more or less prone to. however, now that you mention it I've seen AK's jam more in my personal experience, and I've owned and fired a hell of a lot of them. its primarily due to the steel cased ammo.

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I'll take the AR. Ammo conservation is key and accuracy is going to be a huge part in helping conserve ammo. Also, the iron sights are approximately 1,000,000,000,000x better on the AR.

I've shot M16s very accurately out to 700m w/ iron sights and I'm far better trained on the weapon, so just some more reasons I'd take an AR. With decent, daily weapons maintenance taking about 10 minutes time, the AR won't jam anymore than the AK.

[AnthonyS]

You don't "need" a 75rnd drum. I only have one to be honest. And it would only be on the gun if need be. Sounds like you are getting a little butt hurt that the ak is a better survival weapon....

In my lifelong experience the one who begins with the name calling is the one that has his feelings hurt and the one that is upset about being messed with.

The reality is that in a survival situation, you won't be blasting away a ton of dudes with a 75 round magazine before you are filled full of lead.

Apparently, you don't know anyone that has ever been shot at in a combat situation, have never been shot at yourself, or you don't learn very fast.

Heck you've probably never been faced with any life threatening situation at all.

[scottsmach03]

I have a few ar's and two ak's. If i was in a shtf situation I would grab one of the ak's. If it was over 100 yards then I would let the 300 weatherby do the work. I would let my ole lady handle the ar.