AR Vs. AK

[txstangnut]

only if you go gas piston....then you might have the best. The AR platform will give you the best options in sight radius or optics. But if you 7.62 anything why not just go full tilt with 7.62x51 (.308)?

308 prob would be the way to go.

[CJ]

How so?

optics, accuracy, loose tolerances, drop rate.

[CJ]

Why in the hell would anyone have steel ammo for anything other then cheap target practice?

Ever opened up any spam can russian surplus ammo? You buy an AK, and you get steel ammo. That's what the gun is designed for.

[Machx2]

Ever opened up any spam can russian surplus ammo? You buy an AK, and you get steel ammo. That's what the gun is designed for.

And the ar was built for 5.56, yet I am sure you fire .223 out of it right? My ak fires brass perfectly. Either way I would not be tossing any ammo in a river only to pull it out a week later. I guess it is also good to say I wont be leaving my house if shtf. Have everything here to survive off of. Cattle and all. So my ammo will stay dry, including my 4$ 7.62 steel cased.

[YALE]

And the ar was built for 5.56, yet I am sure you fire .223 out of it right? My ak fires brass perfectly. Either way I would not be tossing any ammo in a river only to pull it out a week later. I guess it is also good to say I wont be leaving my house if shtf. Have everything here to survive off of. Cattle and all. So my ammo will stay dry, including my 4$ 7.62 steel cased.

If you fire .223 out of a 5.56 chamber, the case magically transforms into 5.56 brass.

[CJ]

And the ar was built for 5.56, yet I am sure you fire .223 out of it right? My ak fires brass perfectly. Either way I would not be tossing any ammo in a river only to pull it out a week later. I guess it is also good to say I wont be leaving my house if shtf. Have everything here to survive off of. Cattle and all. So my ammo will stay dry, including my 4$ 7.62 steel cased.

You asked why you would shoot steel in a survival circumstance. The answer is the gun is designed to use steel. Whether an AR shoots .223 or 5.56 it doesn't have any comparison, both brass.

[GAP]

Since this is now a SHTF thread, i'd say AK for sure. For only two reasons. Within 200yards the 7.62x39 is a superior round. Larger caliber and more energy. Secondly, you might not be able to properly maintain your firearm. What if you dont have any cleaning supplies and there's no end in sight. Water might be the only solvent available. And animal fat your only lubricant. IMO

[YALE]

Since this is now a SHTF thread, i'd say AK for sure. For only two reasons. Within 200yards the 7.62x39 is a superior round. Larger caliber and more energy. Secondly, you might not be able to properly maintain your firearm. What if you dont have any cleaning supplies and there's no end in sight. Water might be the only solvent available. And animal fat your only lubricant. IMO

The addition of wood ashes would allow you to clean an AR.

[AnthonyS]

LMAO, you are a giant retard.

Your lack of evidence shows the real truth, but thanks for trying.

[AnthonyS]

Since this is now a SHTF thread, i'd say AK for sure. For only two reasons. Within 200yards the 7.62x39 is a superior round. Larger caliber and more energy. Secondly, you might not be able to properly maintain your firearm. What if you dont have any cleaning supplies and there's no end in sight. Water might be the only solvent available. And animal fat your only lubricant. IMO

If that's the case, then you weren't prepared for the SHTF. It is a superior round in terms of stopping power, and that is all.

[AnthonyS]

+1, Tony is no doubt a ninja... A ak is a great "survival weapon", just like the ar. People have been surviving off the ak for many years. For close combat situations( like a raid on your house) i will grab my ak. I would want a round that could bust through block with ease.

Tony you need to lay off the metal of honor and come to the realization that not everything is a video game.

Sometimes when folks get the jump on you, you dont have time to run and hide, you have to stand and fight. But, they wont get the jump on you because your a ninja.

Wow your skill at argumentation are clearly superior to everyones. If you don't agree with what they have to say you pull the "ninja" card. I expect that from my 11 year old son, but not an adult.

For someone raiding my house, I have a 12 gauge with 00 buckshot in it which is way better than an AK inside a house raid, but I wouldn't expect you to understand that either.

Every firearm has it's strenghts and weaknesses. The AK may be the greatest battlefield firearm of all time, but that doesn't make it a very good home defense or personal survival weapon.

[exlude]

Your lack of evidence shows the real truth, but thanks for trying.

Exhibit A: http://www.dfwmustangs.net/forums/sh...1&postcount=49

[Machx2]

You asked why you would shoot steel in a survival circumstance. The answer is the gun is designed to use steel. Whether an AR shoots .223 or 5.56 it doesn't have any comparison, both brass.

They make both steel case and brass in 223 also. My point was just because a gun was made to shoot a certain kind of ammo doesn't mean you can't shoot another kind. Aks are not picky, they will eat any kind of ammo.

[Machx2]

Here is a funny video I found. R. Lee Ermey, gotta love em.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuwR4LLvoc4

[Fatass]

They make both steel case and brass in 223 also. My point was just because a gun was made to shoot a certain kind of ammo doesn't mean you can't shoot another kind. Aks are not picky, they will eat any kind of ammo.

what is more prevalent in 7.62x39? brass or steel? ding ding ding, steel. what is cheaper? you guessed it. who really cares? if SHTF are you going to be throwing all your ammo in a lake for later use? yeah probably not.

i'll take as many spam cans of that steel cased junk as i can get, store it away from the lake and sit back and sip my koolaid and eat my crackers while everyone else goes bat shit crazy debating which gun they should grab and which will be more reliable after 15k rounds without a simple field strip.

do you seriously think your going to be coming under constant fire? are you going to have a meth lab running 24/7 so you can avoid sleep? if you have time to sleep you have time to clean a fucking firearm. this isnt vietnam or the eastern front.