New Liberty Safe

[ceyko]

Just for reference, I'm not going to get into a pissing match about these safes -- but below is what I was talking about. (It was a Graffunder (sp?)) safe when I looked it up...

[loc712]

So your a "Liberty sevice guy". Have you compared them or are you drinking the company Koolaid and reading their propaganda. I'm not associated with any safe company or buisness but I can read build materials and specs online. Yes, the Liberty compares well with other safes in it's class but the Graffunder is not in that class. The build materials drive the price and weight out of the normal consumer level.
Saying the Liberty compares to a Graffunder or a true TL rated safe because it has a ball bearing hardplate is like comparing a Ford Ranger with a Ford Super Duty because they both have anti-lock brakes.

I don't work for Liberty I work for a local Locksmith Co. I do work for numerous safe companies and I don't drink anybodies "Koolaid" just thought you might appreciate an insiders perspective. Don't really care to have a pissing match with anyone either. If you want to buy a gun safe based on door gap and such knock yourself out. , you can buy a $6-9000 safe from any of them, or you can buy a $50,000 safe from Brown Safe but in the end its the Fire and Burglary rating that really makes the difference. My point on the ball bearing hardplate is that Liberty puts it in their higher end models but you have to buy a TL rated safe to get it from anyone else. They all sell higher end stuff that you usually don't see at the retail storefront.

[CJ]

I don't work for Liberty I work for a local Locksmith Co. I do work for numerous safe companies and I don't drink anybodies "Koolaid" just thought you might appreciate an insiders perspective. Don't really care to have a pissing match with anyone either. If you want to buy a gun safe based on door gap and such knock yourself out. , you can buy a $6-9000 safe from any of them, or you can buy a $50,000 safe from Brown Safe but in the end its the Fire and Burglary rating that really makes the difference. My point on the ball bearing hardplate is that Liberty puts it in their higher end models but you have to buy a TL rated safe to get it from anyone else. They all sell higher end stuff that you usually don't see at the retail storefront.

what is your opinion on reinforcing rooms and installing a safe door?

[loc712]

Safe Room

If its cost effective for you i think its a good idea. You run into issues as far as fire protection, not in the door but the walls. You can buy a pretty nice vault door for $2000-3000, not sure of the cost on the wall fire protection and steel but there are companies who sell kits that you can put together to accomplish it.

[CJ]

If its cost effective for you i think its a good idea. You run into issues as far as fire protection, not in the door but the walls. You can buy a pretty nice vault door for $2000-3000, not sure of the cost on the wall fire protection and steel but there are companies who sell kits that you can put together to accomplish it.

What I've researched on my budget is using cinder blocks filled with silica sand with steel plate on the interior wall.

[loc712]

Vault Room

Thats basically a how some companies build vaults now except they use concrete vault panels or hardened rebar on 3 inch centers horizontally and vertically inside high density concrete walls. Then your vault door jamb sandwiches around your door opening and bolts together. Your description is how the fur companies used to build theirs.

Sounds like your on the right track.