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    Ok, so at the GTG I noticed that an astounding amount of people who shot the mac thought something was wrong with the gun when they put in a fresh mag, cocked the bolt, and the bolt remained open. I got a few "it wont cock" and "the bolt wont close", but after explaining that the gun fired from an open bolt all was well. Hell, I have been to a competition in BFE where the range officer was insistent upon me walking around the range with the gun's bolt open in the ready to fire position, even though I explained how the bolt closed with no mag in it is correct and how they do it at sub gun matches.

    Anyways, here is a good run down on open bolt, how it works, and the advantages and disadvantages of the system-

    A semi or full automatic firearm is said to fire from an open bolt if, when ready to fire, the bolt and working parts are held to the rear. When the trigger is pulled the bolt goes forward, feeding a round from the magazine into the chamber and firing it. Like any other self-loading design without an external power supply, the action is cycled by the energy of the shot; this sends the bolt back to the rear, ejecting the empty cartridge case and preparing for the next shot.

    Advantages-

    Fewer moving parts
    The firing pin is usually part of the bolt
    In automatic weapons an open bolt helps eliminate cook-off
    Open bolt designs typically operate much cooler

    Disadvantages-

    The weapon is more prone to fire when dropped
    Subject to picking up dirt
    Open-bolt machine guns can not be synchronized to fire through the arc of a propeller
    Accuracy can suffer somewhat in an open-bolt design, but this is generally less of a concern in automatic weapons. The large mass moving forward kicks the gun forward a bit on single shots.



    A fixed firing pin on an open bolt gun can be seen here-





    This is a cocked open bolt gun-





    You can see that the firing pin is fixed forward, and then when cocked the bolt is clearly held open by a sear (the sear is very simple, its just a wedge that comes down to allow the bolt to spring forward. When the bolt slams forward, it feeds the round into the chamber and the firing pin slams into the primer in one smooth action.



    A few guns that use this mechanism are-

    American-180
    AA-12 Shotgun
    Browning Automatic Rifle
    FN MAG and variants (including the M240)
    FN Minimi and variants (including the M249)
    Jatimatic
    Lewis gun
    M3
    M60
    MAC-10 & 11
    MG34
    MG42
    MP40
    RPD
    Sten submachine gun
    Sterling submachine gun
    Thompson submachine gun
    Uzi

    Notice how many SMGs made the list.


    Lastly, this may be the reason that many people are not too familiar with the system-

    In the U.S., the ATF made a ruling in 1982 that semi-automatic open bolt weapons are readily convertible to fully automatic fire, therefore such weapons manufactured after the date of this ruling are classed and controlled as fully automatic weapons (weapons manufactured prior to the ruling are grandfathered and are still considered semi-automatic).

    Thugs could take an over the counter mac 10 or tec-9 and easily (and I do mean easily) convert it to fire full auto, so they got banned. The "macs" and "uzis" you see today in stores fire from a modified closed bolt system that is so dissimilar from the weapons original design, it shares nothing in common aside from external appearance.



    Anyways, hope this was interesting!
    Originally posted by lincolnboy
    After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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    Cool info, Alex.


    Thanks

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    • #3
      Yet another post that makes me love the ATF even more

      /sarcasm

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      • #4
        whenever I see a cheap semi mac or uzi show up, I always check to see if it's an open bolt gun.
        "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
        "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler

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        • #5
          holy shit you must have hours of time on your hands to go out or you way and type all of that to explain how a poor mans machine gun works.
          Last edited by CJ; 09-13-2011, 08:04 AM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Buzzo View Post
            holy shit you must have hours of time on your hands to go out or you way and type all of that to explain how a poor mans machine gun works
            people work hard on this forum to make it an educational experience.
            "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
            "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler

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            • #7
              You wouldn't believe how many officers observing "gun turnover" have the operator walk the bolt forward on the MK 43. I believe that it's a version of the m60. But, it's an awesome gun to shoot.
              04 2.6 KB'd Cobra!

              Originally posted by Sean88gt
              There is something about her that just makes my dick completely take over any thought process. If Russell Brand were on top of her, I'd fuck him just to say I pushed a dick inside of her.

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              • #8
                Time to find a MAC9 with suppressor.

                Alex, are you going to get a sear for the MP5?
                Fuck you. We're going to Costco.

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                • #9
                  There was a Mac 11/9 for $2600 on the Sturm boards. May have already sold, don't know.


                  Originally posted by kbscobravert View Post
                  Time to find a MAC9 with suppressor.

                  Alex, are you going to get a sear for the MP5?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by kbscobravert View Post
                    Time to find a MAC9 with suppressor.

                    Alex, are you going to get a sear for the MP5?
                    I really wish I could have an HK sear, but 15k is out of my price range at this time. I think I may hold off on gun stuff for a while, as I now have rent and bills to pay

                    If you want a mac though, check out dealernfa.com

                    He really has some good deals.

                    Originally posted by David View Post
                    There was a Mac 11/9 for $2600 on the Sturm boards. May have already sold, don't know.
                    That was one of Ruben's guns. It was heavily pitted, but a good deal none the less. Expect to pay around 3k for a mac, and a bit more for a powder springs gun.
                    Originally posted by lincolnboy
                    After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DOHCTR View Post
                      If you want a mac though, check out dealernfa.com

                      He really has some good deals.



                      That was one of Ruben's guns. It was heavily pitted, but a good deal none the less. Expect to pay around 3k for a mac, and a bit more for a powder springs gun.


                      Now to find a used one for less.
                      Fuck you. We're going to Costco.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by 5.0_CJ View Post
                        people work hard on this forum to make it an educational experience.
                        did you not see the winky smiley face?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Buzzo View Post
                          did you not see the winky smiley face?
                          What winky smiley face?
                          "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
                          "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 5.0_CJ View Post
                            What winky smiley face?

                            I see what you did there with your Mod powers

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                            • #15
                              Gun broker often has really nice NRA deals. I would love a full auto .22lr that didn't cost 3k+. I think $1500-1800 would be fair for a used one.

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