Tactical Upgrade Kit for carbine length AR

[bronco71]

most red-dot/magnifier setups I have seen run the red dot on the HG/FF rail OR on a cantilever mount extending it over the front of the receiver....

[bigmuskie]

Just my opinion, but if you're concerned about having a free float handguard on a 16" carbine, you're an idiot

If shooting my 16" carbine with a not so free float hand guard makes me look like an idiot on the gun range, then so be it. I'm having fun, that's all that matters. I don't care what the so-called highly trained AR elitist beside me thinks of my rifle. If his AR can shoot the wings off a fly at 300 yards, that's great. I'm not in a battle zone fighting insurgents at 500 meters, nor am I an LEO raiding a drug house. If my drop-in rail is not floating free of the barrel, then whoopty effin doo. Yes, it's merely the tacticool look to me. I got into AR ownership about one year ago with my first AR, an Rock River. Am I behind the times when it comes to AR's, of course. What's appealing to me today, is yesterdays news for you. I'm learning through reading and videos and am having fun at the same time. Happy shooting.

[ceyko]

If shooting my 16" carbine with a not so free float hand guard makes me look like an idiot on the gun range, then so be it. I'm having fun, that's all that matters. I don't care what the so-called highly trained AR elitist beside me thinks of my rifle. If his AR can shoot the wings off a fly at 300 yards, that's great. I'm not in a battle zone fighting insurgents at 500 meters, nor am I an LEO raiding a drug house. If my drop-in rail is not floating free of the barrel, then whoopty effin doo. Yes, it's merely the tacticool look to me. I got into AR ownership about one year ago with my first AR, an Rock River. Am I behind the times when it comes to AR's, of course. What's appealing to me today, is yesterdays news for you. I'm learning through reading and videos and am having fun at the same time. Happy shooting.

He was supporting your drop in rails/guards. Dunno if you were aware of that.

[bottlerocket]

most red-dot/magnifier setups I have seen run the red dot on the HG/FF rail OR on a cantilever mount extending it over the front of the receiver....

Thats cool

Don't cry sweetheart. You'll be okay. I don't care if you put your red dot on a barrel clamp past the FSB, if that's what makes you happy. I think that more rail space is definitely the solution you're looking for, and my point with the second statement is that it's not necessary to have a FF hand guard, as distinguished by that vltor piece.


Wouldn't it be "So that there aren't any more discrepancies"?

Its not? I wasn't aware that the drop ins would hold their zero over a long period of time. I'm pretty sure they dont. I dont know about you, but I'd much rather have 90 rounds at the range for plinking and 10 for testing my zero instead of spending 20-30 for zeroing it in and a lot less for plinking. But if thats what floats your boat....

And, no, "isn't" works just fine.

[YALE]

Thats cool



Its not? I wasn't aware that the drop ins would hold their zero over a long period of time. I'm pretty sure they dont. I dont know about you, but I'd much rather have 90 rounds at the range for plinking and 10 for testing my zero instead of spending 20-30 for zeroing it in and a lot less for plinking. But if thats what floats your boat....

And, no, "isn't" works just fine.

Incorrect.

[bigmuskie]

He was supporting your drop in rails/guards. Dunno if you were aware of that.

No sir I wasn't. Perhaps I may have misinterpreted his statement or it was my lack of AR knowledge, probably both.

My apologies CJ.

[bottlerocket]

Incorrect.

Why?

[YALE]

Why?

"...isn't any more discrepancies..." is incorrect because the word, "discrepancies," is plural, so the plural negative of the verb to be, "aren't," is the agreeing predicate. It's basic subject/predicate agreement.

Singular:
It is not/It is not
He is/He is not
She is/She is not

Plural:
We are/We are not
They are/They are not

[slow06]

Thats cool



Its not? I wasn't aware that the drop ins would hold their zero over a long period of time. I'm pretty sure they dont. I dont know about you, but I'd much rather have 90 rounds at the range for plinking and 10 for testing my zero instead of spending 20-30 for zeroing it in and a lot less for plinking. But if thats what floats your boat....

And, no, "isn't" works just fine.

What brand of Red Dot are you running?

A drop in rail will really be fine just for plinking at the range, unless you are trying to shoot 300 yards or something. IMO FF isn't worth the extra money for shooting paper, but it is your money.

[CJ]

Free float guards are useful if you're shooting a 20"+ Target AR out past 500 yards. Inside that they are a waste of cash imho. Service rifles group excellent up to those ranges with standard clamp handguards. It's high end finite applications being perverted and trickling down to extort cash from novice users in my opinion. I've spent a hell of a lot of money and can speak from experience 95% of peoples' rifles already do everything they want, they just don't know how to properly shoot them. I'm willing to bet you I couldn't tell a difference at 500 yards with my 24" AR with or without a free float. The only real benefit I could even think of on an a carbine is MAYBE heat reduction because of less contact with the barrel, but even then that's really reaching for it.

[bottlerocket]

Free float guards are useful if you're shooting a 20"+ Target AR out past 500 yards. Inside that they are a waste of cash imho. Service rifles group excellent up to those ranges with standard clamp handguards. It's high end finite applications being perverted and trickling down to extort cash from novice users in my opinion. I've spent a hell of a lot of money and can speak from experience 95% of peoples' rifles already do everything they want, they just don't know how to properly shoot them. I'm willing to bet you I couldn't tell a difference at 500 yards with my 24" AR with or without a free float. The only real benefit I could even think of on an a carbine is MAYBE heat reduction because of less contact with the barrel, but even then that's really reaching for it.

Again, its not the lack of accuracy from the barrel touching the guard, but the fact that it will knock my scope out of zero. This isnt really a disputable fact here, it will happen and its a waste to even zero the scope. If I was running no magnifier or something, I wouldn't care what kind of rail I used.

[bottlerocket]

"...isn't any more discrepancies..." is incorrect because the word, "discrepancies," is plural, so the plural negative of the verb to be, "aren't," is the agreeing predicate. It's basic subject/predicate agreement.

Singular:
It is not/It is not
He is/He is not
She is/She is not

Plural:
We are/We are not
They are/They are not

Thanks for spending time on that professor. I'm sure everyone here can now sleep soundly at night.

[bottlerocket]

What brand of Red Dot are you running?

A drop in rail will really be fine just for plinking at the range, unless you are trying to shoot 300 yards or something. IMO FF isn't worth the extra money for shooting paper, but it is your money.

Primary Arms red dot and magnifier. For the money spent, I couldn't be happier.

[CJ]

Again, its not the lack of accuracy from the barrel touching the guard, but the fact that it will knock my scope out of zero. This isnt really a disputable fact here, it will happen and its a waste to even zero the scope. If I was running no magnifier or something, I wouldn't care what kind of rail I used.

What? How is it going to 'knock your scope out of zero' Is there some sort of floating mechanics in your optics? That doesn't make any sense, unless you're using some cheap ass optics that are broken. I think you need to work on some better optics before you needless waste money accommodating them. I can take a deadblow mallet and whale on my red dot (and non-free float tube) and it will hold a zero. I simply do not understand how the hell the type of handguard can effect how your optics hold a zero, it literally has nothing to do with eachother. Either your optics can or can't handle recoil, that's a completely unrelated issue.

[bottlerocket]

What? How is it going to 'knock your scope out of zero' Is there some sort of floating mechanics in your optics? That doesn't make any sense, unless you're using some cheap ass optics that are broken. I think you need to work on some better optics before you needless waste money accommodating them. I can take a deadblow mallet and whale on my red dot (and non-free float tube) and it will hold a zero.

The handguard moves on the drop ins. Sure it doesn't move a whole lot, but the FF guards are more stable, thus holding the scope on zero. If you move what the scope is mounted to relative to the gun, it won't be zeroed...