Suicide Squad

[mstng86]

Snyder didn't direct it.

Well at least it has that going for it.

[Silverback]

Snyder didn't direct it.

No but he's still in charge as a EP and its his continuity and character creation.

[BradM]

I liked it. I had no expectations. I didn't know any of the characters other than the Joker and Batman.

[JC316]

I liked it. I had no expectations. I didn't know any of the characters other than the Joker and Batman.

I went in with no expectations either, but I do know the characters. Still enjoyed it. People expect WAY too much out of a comic book movie, this doesn't have to be The Dark Knight, or The Avengers, just has to be entertaining.

It's nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be. Just a fun movie.

[mstng86]

http://www.vulture.com/2016/08/this-open-letter-annihilates-warner-bros-execs.html

An Open Letter To Warner Bros CEO Kevin Tsujihara About Layoffs, Zack Snyder, and Donuts

When I left my screening of Suicide Squad last week, I was angry. I was annoyed and let down and frustrated as well, but mostly I was just angry.

Look, I'm a big dork. So of course I thought this trainwreck of a movie did a major disservice to the characters, concept, cast, and crew, but that wasn't why I was mad. Yes, it is unfathomable to me that Warner Bros could mess up a movie starring Will Smith, Margot Robbie, and The Joker so completely. But that just had me flummoxed.

I was angry because I couldn't stop thinking about you, Kevin Tsujihara.

A lot of fans might be angry (and rightfully so) because you keep completely whiffing at properties that they are desperate to love and enjoy, but this is a little more personal for me. See, I am a former Warner Bros employee. I have so much respect for your studio. I love every square inch of that magical backlot, from Stars Hollow to the fitness center I always meant to use. The people I worked with during my time with your company are now close friends. On my last day, I hugged them and I told them I loved them.

I was also there in 2014, when you made the decision to lay off 10 percent of your workforce. It was a terrible year. Let me catch you up: Every morning I woke up with a pit in my stomach, because I assumed that would be the day I lost my job. Every day I saw someone packing up their desk, or carrying a box to their car. I can not describe to you the relief I felt when my department was told we were safe, or the guilt I felt afterwards walking through the halls of my office with that relief.

But out of all that, the thing that really sticks with me is the memo you sent to all of us. Let me refresh you on my favorite part:

I wanted you to hear directly from me about our plans for the studio. In recent days, we have started to hear rumors here at the company and to read misinformation in the press, so I'd like to set the record straight. I know that the hard work and dedication of every employee around the world is the key to Warner Bros.' success, and I am sorry for the distraction this situation brings to the workplace.


At Warner Bros., we work with the world's most extraordinary storytellers, and our focus has always been to provide the creative environment and financial resources they need to realize their vision. Our commitment to that won't change. In fact, we're investing more than ever in our film and television productions.

This is how you opened a memo about layoffs. "Hey guys, we work hard for the people telling stories here and we want to make sure those visions are realized." The balls on you.

That year we pursued the storytelling vision of Adam Sandler's Blended and Clint Eastwood's Jersey Boys. Failures. We pursued a potentially great summer movie like Edge of Tomorrow and completely botched its release. Same with Man From UNCLE. We dug in our heels and hoped The Hobbit Trilogy would somehow stop being a mediocre case of diminishing returns. Talented, loyal people packed their boxes and went home while your story tellers dropped the ball.

One could argue that this was not your fault. That you inherited former CEO Barry Meyer's agenda and were merely trying to correct the course of an ocean liner heading for an iceberg.

I would not make this argument. And here's why: I wrote this letter last year. I actually started forming it in my head after Man of Steel was a box office failure instead of the modern classic tentpole you were expecting.

I kept holding off on doing anything with it because of one title: Suicide Squad. Zack Snyder's Dawn of Justice was a fiasco, but here comes this plucky little dark adventure about antiheroes. I love David Ayer. I love Harley Quinn. I love Will Smith. Put the letter in a drawer. The ship isn't sinking anymore. Everything is fine. There's no way this movie is bad.

And here we are. I got back from my screening and dusted this sucker off. You, your executive team, and the vision of your 'extraordinary storytellers' that resulted in the loss of around one thousand jobs seem intent on crashing the ship into as much shit as you can find in the ocean by making inane decisions over and over again.

Zack Snyder is not delivering. Is he being punished? Assistants who were doing fantastic work certainly were. People in finance and in marketing and in IT. They had no say in a movie called Batman V Superman only having 8 minutes of Batman fighting Superman in it, that ends because their moms have the same name. Snyder is a producer on every DC movie. He is still directing Justice League. He is being rewarded with more opportunity to get more people laid off. I'm assuming you yourself haven't been financially affected in any real way. You and your studio are the biggest lesson about life one can learn: The top screws up and the bottom suffers. Peter Jackson phones it in and a marketing supervisor has to figure out a plan B for house payments.

Your uneven Hall H presentation at Comic Con this year was a ridiculous mess that ranged from rushed to boring. When Marvel announced their full slate of films with a fun fan event several years ago, you announced yours on a shareholder conference call.

You just don't get it. And it's not just DC movies, it's your whole slate. Jupiter Ascending. Get Hard. Hot Pursuit. Max. Vacation. Pan. Point Break. Fucking PAN, you jerk. People lost their jobs and you decided Pan was a good idea. You think another Jungle Book is a good idea.

What are you even doing? I wish to God you were forced to live out of a car until you made a #1 movie of the year. Maybe Wonder Woman wouldn't be such a mess. Don't try to hide behind the great trailer. People inside are already confirming it's another mess. It is almost impressive how you keep rewarding the same producers and executives for making the same mistakes, over and over.

If I worked at a donut stand, and I kept fucking up donuts, I'd be fired. Even if I made a tiny decent one every now and then, it doesn't matter. I'm gonna get fired.

I love that studio, and you're allowing it to sink. It's not about making movies for 'the fans' and not 'the critics.' It's not even about 'ruining childhoods.' It's about protecting livelihoods.

It's time to wake up and make the fucking donuts, Kevin.

[Nash B.]

^^Solid!

It was worth the $6 I paid to see it, but that's about it. They went overboard with the cheese, and The Joker was way more creepy than he was scary.

[Rick Modena]

Someone send this guy a invitation to join us, we don't make movies but we sure do have fun insulting people...

[BLAKE]

Damn, scathing, awesome letter.

People expect WAY too much out of a comic book movie, this doesn't have to be The Dark Knight, or The Avengers, just has to be entertaining.

This doesn't make any damn sense. Like that letter says, at it's heart, movie making is story telling. A good movie is good because it tells a good story. The Dark Knight and The Avengers are good because the story is good, regardless of if they'r "comic book movies" or not. That's not even a thing that costs extra money. Just stop mailing it in and throwing a big budget at the effects (shitty Transformers movies) and tell a compelling story.

To put it another way, "fun" isn't good enough if the story sucks.

To put it yet another way, "entertaining" requires investment in characters and story that are well crafted and delivered. For me at least.

[idrivea4banger]

Just finished watching this tonight. I had high expectations for Suicide Squad and walked out a little disappointed. I know they edited and did re-shoots months before the release. I'm curious as to what was changed and also what the other version they had in mind looked like. I wish they'd release it as was, just like BvS. Ive seen the ultimate edition clips and if they had kept with that the movie would have been way better; not saying I don't like the theatrical release. There were some funny moments and I liked the quick backstories but it was missing the serious undertones that BvS had. I know most people hated how dark BvS but I liked that. Suicide Squad should've stayed with that, what they put out seemed cheesy at times. I liked what little they showed of Joker, fucker is insane but they had cut out alot of his scenes. If they go Arkham Asylum on the next Batman movie, which is rumored, then I hope we get to fully see Joker like we were supposed to. One thing is for sure....quit fucking doing re-shoots and cutting out scenes at the last minute. The animated version was way better and I guess that's what I was expecting. I'll have to rewatch it sometime and really let it sink in.

6/10-me
5/10-my son.

[lincolnboy]

See these movies as if you were 12 again. When you were really into comics.

[JC316]

Damn, scathing, awesome letter.



This doesn't make any damn sense. Like that letter says, at it's heart, movie making is story telling. A good movie is good because it tells a good story. The Dark Knight and The Avengers are good because the story is good, regardless of if they'r "comic book movies" or not. That's not even a thing that costs extra money. Just stop mailing it in and throwing a big budget at the effects (shitty Transformers movies) and tell a compelling story.

To put it another way, "fun" isn't good enough if the story sucks.

To put it yet another way, "entertaining" requires investment in characters and story that are well crafted and delivered. For me at least.

Doom vs Half Life. Both are shooters, both are fun to play through. Half life is better thanks to a good story, doom is just fun for mindless violence.

Same thing here. Bad guys being forced to fight for the "good" guys. Could have been better, but it was still not horrible.

[jdgregory84]

It was okay. Should've just been called the Margot Robbie and Will Smith movie(featuring the guy from the Robocop remake). Every other character was just there. Diablo was cool for a total of like a minute and a half. Jared Leto as the Joker was an emo little bitch. I'd give the movie a 5/10. Smith was great. Robbie was good...but annoying at times...super hot though.

[lincolnboy]

Your saying Smith was HoT. Your gay

movie was good, for the amount of time they had to play the movie. Could have been a two part movie. Anyone see the end credits? One thing i am tired of seeing is movie actor/actress playing in Marvel then in D.C. movies. That black chick, i keep getting reminded of her scene from The Avengers.
Good movie , the end action scene was lame and the point leading up to it was also.

[Nash B.]

One thing i am tired of seeing is movie actor/actress playing in Marvel then in D.C. movies. That black chick, i keep getting reminded of her scene from The Avengers.

Who are you talking about?

[Silverback]

Who are you talking about?

I think he's confusing Viola Davis with Don Cheadle... common mistake really!