Game of Thrones

[LS1Goat]

Awesome finale.

Yeah it was.


Amazing episode though. It's good to see that the constant for this show remains: No one is safe.

That said, I have heard some theories on at least one major death in this episode that may not be as final as it seemed. It's based on fan conjecture, but there are some compelling theories.

Dan Weiss and David Nutter both have said in interviews that Jon is dead. The speculation and theories come from George Martin's ambiguous answer about death isn't necessarily permanent in the GoT universe. Just like they didn't resurrect Catelyn Stark into Lady Stonehart on the show, they probably won't do it for Jon. Even if he did warg into Ghost, he's still not going to have any real role on the show.

[BLAKE]

So, was that jump survivable? Seem to me like it wouldn't be but some reviews I've seen think it could have been.

I think the idea is that there may be enough snow drift to cushion the fall. Another idea is that Reek(Theon) would work it so he cushion's her fall further, possibly sacrificing himself.

Awesome finale.



Dan Weiss and David Nutter both have said in interviews that Jon is dead. The speculation and theories come from George Martin's ambiguous answer about death isn't necessarily permanent in the GoT universe. Just like they didn't resurrect Catelyn Stark into Lady Stonehart on the show, they probably won't do it for Jon. Even if he did warg into Ghost, he's still not going to have any real role on the show.

I'm cool with it. It's an interesting idea either way. I haven't seen the Dan/David statement on that. Link?

[momo]

That said, I have heard some theories on at least one major death in this episode that may not be as final as it seemed. It's based on fan conjecture, but there are some compelling theories.

i don't read the books but if it's jon snow you are referring to, then, yea. it's no coincidence Melisandre was trying to jump his bones, talks about his kings blood, and shows back up.

[LS1Goat]

I think the idea is that there may be enough snow drift to cushion the fall. Another idea is that Reek(Theon) would work it so he cushion's her fall further, possibly sacrificing himself.



I'm cool with it. It's an interesting idea either way. I haven't seen the Dan/David statement on that. Link?

Dan

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/14/game-thrones-jon-snow-really-dead

David

http://deadline.com/2015/06/game-of-thrones-finale-spoilers-season-5-lena-headey-season-6-1201441028/

[momo]

eh, just cause they said Jon is dead doesn't mean he doesn't come back as some non-Jon type thing.

If you know who is parents are, I feel like he has an important role in story still.

[03mustangdude]

So dragons and the army of horses should take over next season hopefully

[Broncojohnny]

cgi'd to the gills.

"That was digital piss"

I don't think there is any way Jon Snow is dead. One give away to me is the fact that there is no other character in the night's watch that has been developed to the point where we give a shit about them as viewers. Sam is now gone, the only other character is Tormund and he is a wildling.

There is only one scenario where it makes sense for Jon to die in such a superficial manner. That situation is one where the dead army just rolls over the wall and wipes out the watch, killing everyone. That is certainly possible. But I think it is more likely that sweet tits priestess and Davos somehow save him and they flee the wall right before the dead get there. Sugar tits will want him for his king's blood.

[BLAKE]

That all makes sense to me. There sure was a lot of development with the face off against the Night's King for it to just fizzle out.

[Broncojohnny]

That all makes sense to me. There sure was a lot of development with the face off against the Night's King for it to just fizzle out.

Excellent point. I am not sure all of that will be wasted. I can see Jon ending up leading a wildling army, maybe with sweet tits as his sidekick.

[mstng86]

Damn it, this show really pisses me off.

oh and that walk was CGIededed a ton.

[YALE]

eh, just cause they said Jon is dead doesn't mean he doesn't come back as some non-Jon type thing.

If you know who is parents are, I feel like he has an important role in story still.

He may just be Jon. The dude from the Brotherhood Without Banners was from the same religion as Melisandre. He could be revived whole.

[mstng86]

He may just be Jon. The dude from the Brotherhood Without Banners was from the same religion as Melisandre. He could be revived whole.

I don't care what the director says, they will bring him back.

[BP]

I'm waiting for the faceless men to wake up a zombie dragon, which will melt the wall and allow the white walkers to kill everyone.

[clevelandkid]

I've read some rumors that the incest daughter might not be dead either.

As much as I'd like to see it set Jamie off, I'd rather see Myrcella get them out later on.

[momo]

Excellent point. I am not sure all of that will be wasted. I can see Jon ending up leading a wildling army, maybe with sweet tits as his sidekick.

I have a theory since I'm watching for the second time now. I don't want to post a spoiler (though I'm not sure it can be a considered a spoiler as I'm purely speculating and I have never read the books). Either way, I'll post in white:


There is no way there is no more Jon Snow in GOT. MAYBE in the show, but no way he is done in the actual story from the books.

I think Jon Snow is the ice part of the fire and ice title. Daenerys being the fire. I think those two characters is really what the main story will ultimately be centered around.

While watching for the second time, it's clearly obvious that Jon Snow is NOT Ned's bastard son, but rather Ned's dead sister's (Liana) child. *if you don't remember her, Liana was Robert's true love he goes to visit in the Winterfell Tombs.

So that part I figured that out the first time watching, I just thought Snow was the true son of Robert Baratheon (thus true heir to the throne after Robert instead of the fake Lanister incest children) as I thought Ned was covering parenthood for a Robert bastard based on Ned's wife giving him shit that the last time he left with Robert he banged some chick and brought home a bastard.

...BUT during the second viewing, I figured no way it's a Robert bastard.
A. it happened before marrying Cersei.
B. why would Ned lie to Robert about it? From a conversation Robert had with Ned, Ned claims Snow was his bastard which took place during the Robert rebellion to overthrow the mad king. (Robert was surprised Ned would have even done that to Caitlyn Stark.)

Well, also occurring during the Robert Rebellion, the mad king's son (Rheygar Targarean) kidnapped Liana. She died when Ned went to save her.

So, I think if that child was Robert's then Ned would have told him. But because Ned lies and says it his own child, the father is likely the man who kidnapped her. Rheygar Targarean.

So that should make Snow the heir to the throne under the Targarean lineage, mad kings son's son. So NOT Danerys. I think that makes her his Aunt, lol. Why else would Jon Snow have "King's Blood" in him?